Dad from 7th Heaven molested three girls

What's happening in your world? Discuss it here.
Forum rules
Play nice. We will be watching

Dad from 7th Heaven molested three girls

Postby Cobra-D » Tue Oct 07, 2014 11:55 pm

http://www.tmz.com/2014/10/07/stephen-c ... stigation/

Well I didn't see this coming.
  • 6

Admins tag across my signature
User avatar
Cobra-D
Frequent Poster
 
Posts: 158
Joined: Tue Apr 16, 2013 4:46 pm
Title: The Witty Flirt
Top

Re: Dad from 7th Heaven molested three girls

Postby aviel » Wed Oct 08, 2014 1:36 am

I heard about this on the radio. Perhaps my priorities are misplaced, but what bothered me most (or at least a lot) about this story was that his wife released tapes she made of his confession ... in therapy. It is not okay to record people in therapy and it is definitely not okay to release those recordings.

Obviously it's also not okay to molest children.
  • 9

Image
Click for a Limerick
OrangeEyebrows wrote:There once was a guy, Aviel,
whose arguments no one could quell.
He tested with Turing,
his circuits fried during,
and now we'll have peace for a spell.
User avatar
aviel
TCS Butt Inspector
 
Posts: 4969
Joined: Tue Apr 16, 2013 8:18 pm
Location: Permanently in the wrong
Title: Auditor of Reality
Top

Re: Dad from 7th Heaven molested three girls

Postby Tesseracts » Wed Oct 08, 2014 1:48 am

aviel wrote:I heard about this on the radio. Perhaps my priorities are misplaced, but what bothered me most (or at least a lot) about this story was that his wife released tapes she made of his confession ... in therapy. It is not okay to record people in therapy and it is definitely not okay to release those recordings.

Obviously it's also not okay to molest children.

That's a good point. From what I understand therapists are required to report somebody who is currently a threat, but not somebody who used to be one. I don't know this situation and I can't say if this man is a threat or not, but it's possible he is overcoming this problem.

Also. 7th Heaven is possibly the worst show ever.

How did this last so many seasons?
  • 9

User avatar
Tesseracts
TCS Admin
 
Posts: 1365
Joined: Sat Apr 13, 2013 4:31 am
Title: Czarina Tesserov
Top

Re: Dad from 7th Heaven molested three girls

Postby aviel » Wed Oct 08, 2014 2:22 am

There are two things. If therapists think that there is child abuse happening, then yes, there are mandatory reporting laws in place. But a) that would be reported to CPS, not to the media, and b) it would be reported by the therapist, not the wife, and c) you cannot record people's therapy sessions regardless. Three things.
  • 7

Image
Click for a Limerick
OrangeEyebrows wrote:There once was a guy, Aviel,
whose arguments no one could quell.
He tested with Turing,
his circuits fried during,
and now we'll have peace for a spell.
User avatar
aviel
TCS Butt Inspector
 
Posts: 4969
Joined: Tue Apr 16, 2013 8:18 pm
Location: Permanently in the wrong
Title: Auditor of Reality
Top

Re: Dad from 7th Heaven molested three girls

Postby sunglasses » Wed Oct 08, 2014 2:24 am

Here's the thing. She took the tapes to her lawyer. He made the confession during couples counseling, not an individual session. Therefore, it's not like she took his private sessions and made them public. And she gave them to her lawyer because when he admitted that he forced an 11 year old to touch his partly hard little 7th heaven, she was horrified and decided to get divorced.

Not sure how it got to the media tho. I assume someone leaked it.

Yeah, TMZ is not saying how they got the tapes. So claiming that the wife leaked them is a bit of assumption, Avi.
  • 7

Take two aspirin and don't call me in the morning.
User avatar
sunglasses
TCS Junkie
 
Posts: 3866
Joined: Tue Apr 16, 2013 1:52 pm
Title: The Speaker of Horrors.
Top

Re: Dad from 7th Heaven molested three girls

Postby sunglasses » Wed Oct 08, 2014 2:29 am

aviel wrote: you cannot record people's therapy sessions regardless. Three things.


Actually in Cali you can if you suspect them of a felony. Sexual abuse of a child under 14 in Cali is a felony.
  • 5

Take two aspirin and don't call me in the morning.
User avatar
sunglasses
TCS Junkie
 
Posts: 3866
Joined: Tue Apr 16, 2013 1:52 pm
Title: The Speaker of Horrors.
Top

Re: Dad from 7th Heaven molested three girls

Postby FaceTheCitizen » Wed Oct 08, 2014 2:32 am

You can record private conversations in California if you are doing so to gather evidence to report a violent felony.

http://www.shouselaw.com/eavesdropping.html
  • 2

Check out my story!

Tesseracts wrote:I think it's safe to say drugs have won the war on drugs. Pretty sure terror has won the war on terror also. It's time to move on to beating the shit out of a new abstract concept.
User avatar
FaceTheCitizen
TCS Admin
 
Posts: 2147
Joined: Sun Apr 14, 2013 6:12 pm
Location: New York City
Title: Basement Tyrant
Top

Re: Dad from 7th Heaven molested three girls

Postby aviel » Wed Oct 08, 2014 3:21 am

sunglasses wrote:Here's the thing. She took the tapes to her lawyer. He made the confession during couples counseling, not an individual session. Therefore, it's not like she took his private sessions and made them public. And she gave them to her lawyer because when he admitted that he forced an 11 year old to touch his partly hard little 7th heaven, she was horrified and decided to get divorced.

It's not primarily this I object to, it is the part where they were leaked to the media

Yeah, TMZ is not saying how they got the tapes. So claiming that the wife leaked them is a bit of assumption, Avi.

I think I had heard that the wife leaked them ,though this may have been incorrect. Regardless, if TMZ knew they were from a therapy session (i.e. a place in which one has a reasonable expectation of privacy), I do not think it was okay of them to publicize it.

And I know that in general you can record private conversations in California without the other person's consent if you suspect them of a felony, but there are additional protections in therapy sessions due to HIPAA.
  • 2

Image
Click for a Limerick
OrangeEyebrows wrote:There once was a guy, Aviel,
whose arguments no one could quell.
He tested with Turing,
his circuits fried during,
and now we'll have peace for a spell.
User avatar
aviel
TCS Butt Inspector
 
Posts: 4969
Joined: Tue Apr 16, 2013 8:18 pm
Location: Permanently in the wrong
Title: Auditor of Reality
Top

Re: Dad from 7th Heaven molested three girls

Postby Andropov4 » Wed Oct 08, 2014 3:52 am

Cobra-D wrote:
Well I didn't see this coming.


Neither did the kids.

Spoiler: show
Kill me. Kill me now.
  • 12

"Frankly, my dear, I don't give a lamb."- Ryan Stiles
User avatar
Andropov4
Time Waster
 
Posts: 1596
Joined: Mon Feb 03, 2014 6:24 pm
Location: 'Murica
Title: Dr. Admiral
Top

Re: Dad from 7th Heaven molested three girls

Postby DamianaRaven » Wed Oct 08, 2014 5:22 am

Andropov4 wrote:
Spoiler: show
Kill me. Kill me now.


I got this! Lift your chin a little.
  • 6

"Fear me, love me, do as I say and I will be your slave." Jareth, the Goblin King
User avatar
DamianaRaven
Time Waster
 
Posts: 1901
Joined: Mon Apr 15, 2013 2:37 am
Location: Yippee-ki-yay, motherfuckers!
Title: Shameless Hussy
Top

Re: Dad from 7th Heaven molested three girls

Postby D-LOGAN » Wed Oct 08, 2014 10:44 am

aviel wrote: his wife released tapes she made of his confession ... in therapy. It is not okay to record people in therapy and it is definitely not okay to release those recordings.


The wife? But ..... hey that aint right! GOD DAMNIT AVIEL! I'm sick of all this jumping to conclusions before all the facts are gathered and people are blamed for things they didn't do, that's how mob trials get started!!!!!!
sunglasses wrote:Not sure how it got to the media tho. I assume someone leaked it.


This interests me. I assume it's illegal to leak stuff like this to the media, so if they find out who did it ..... would they be in trouble, legally? Like what if someone kills the actor guy? Would the leak-er be in any way liable? Like would the argument "Hey I didn't know anyone would react that, I thought everyone liked paedophiles?" hold any water, or would they get into some kind of trouble for that?
  • 6

Not just yet, I'm still tender from before.
User avatar
D-LOGAN
Time Waster
 
Posts: 1434
Joined: Sun Apr 14, 2013 6:08 pm
Location: Éire
Title: Cabbage-Warbler
Top

Re: Dad from 7th Heaven molested three girls

Postby Jack Road » Wed Oct 08, 2014 11:34 am

I don't know much about the law. But I feel like molesting people is not a one-and-done kind of deal. Maybe not all the stats are there, but I don't know, I just don't see a molester going "Hey, I molested quite a bit, but now I think it is time to hang up the sweat pants and sell the van."

So in my mind I feel like if anyone ever confesses to child molestation anywhere, they should immediately be reported? And that there should not be a statute of limitations on child molestation? And that if the law doesn't reflect that sentiment, it should be changed because why the hell does it not reflect that sentiment?
  • 6

User avatar
Jack Road
Time Waster
 
Posts: 1570
Joined: Sat Feb 15, 2014 7:38 pm
Location: North Carolina
Title: Not a Doctor
Top

Re: Dad from 7th Heaven molested three girls

Postby Matthew Notch » Wed Oct 08, 2014 12:17 pm

Of course, people can change and are capable of turning back from a past course they are ashamed of. These are some atrocious things and I'm not saying I don't agree that there should be consequences. You couldn't murder someone ten years ago and be fine and dandy with the law if it came out that you definitely murdered someone. That said, I feel like it's important to look at the heart condition of the person at present, not when he or she did something terrible. I sure haven't molested any kids, but I've definitely done some crappy things in my life, and even though I can't escape the fact that some people are going to only hold me to those actions, it is still nice that most people have decided to give me another chance at being a good person.

All that aside, he probably shouldn't be allowed around young children unsupervised for a long while, until a medical professional deems it safe, if that ever happens.
  • 3

It's Dangerous to Go Alone

the river only knows to carry on
User avatar
Matthew Notch
TCS Junkie
 
Posts: 2072
Joined: Mon Apr 15, 2013 10:48 am
Location: The ICT
Title: The Last Finisher
Top

Re: Dad from 7th Heaven molested three girls

Postby Jack Road » Wed Oct 08, 2014 1:17 pm

No, I'm pretty sure if he molested children he should be slow roasted over an open fire and all his money should go to orphans.

I get murder. I totes get murder. But there are so many reasons for murder. There is only one reason for child molestation.

I also don't think the law should be anything but Calvinistic. There can't be any place for examining one's heart when it comes to matters of crime and punishment. I might forgive him. The law should not.

In summary. In my perfect world.

Confessing...

"I killed that guy because I was really mad." gets more time than confessing "I killed that guy because he hit me."
"I molested children" just gets you executed immediately. Like as soon as you confess.
"I molested children seven years ago but I feel really bad about it and haven't since then" just gets you executed immediately. Like as soon as you confess.
  • 5

User avatar
Jack Road
Time Waster
 
Posts: 1570
Joined: Sat Feb 15, 2014 7:38 pm
Location: North Carolina
Title: Not a Doctor
Top

Re: Dad from 7th Heaven molested three girls

Postby Tesseracts » Wed Oct 08, 2014 1:25 pm

I don't care about forgiveness. What matters is if he will do the same thing again or not. Some sex offenders repeat their crime, some do not, same as any other form of crime. I agree that child molestation is worse than murder but that doesn't mean I want to throw all human rights out the window. The only important consideration is making sure this doesn't happen again, and making people afraid to go to therapy is counterproductive towards that goal.
  • 9

User avatar
Tesseracts
TCS Admin
 
Posts: 1365
Joined: Sat Apr 13, 2013 4:31 am
Title: Czarina Tesserov
Top

Next

Return to Current Affairs and Serious Stuff

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Bing [Bot] and 0 guests