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Re: The Trump impeachment inquiry is underway

Postby Windy » Thu Sep 26, 2019 11:47 pm

Absentia wrote:With that out of the way, I'd like you to address something, Windy:

Earlier you made a sarcastic reference to people thinking Trump is "literally Hitler", and now you say that caring about politics is wasting your life. So I'm wondering if you would care if Trump was literally Hitler, murdering millions of people in cold blood and starting wars of aggression. Or would you say that all those dead people don't affect you? Because first they came for the socialists, and if you didn't speak out because you're not a socialist, well, you know how the rest of the story goes.

If you agree that mass murder and genocide are bad and worth opposing, of course, then you admit that there is some point where government misconduct becomes worth struggling against, and we're just arguing about where the line is.

And if you'd rather embrace the "let Hitler do what he wants, I'm looking out for number one" philosophy, I hope you won't mind if I say that we're all better off because enough people rejected that argument 80 years ago.


Mass murders and genociders still exist today. Our own government has a tendency to support them. We don't lift a finger to do anything about it and we don't care about it until we're told to care. I don't think our beliefs or feelings are real. We're probably about as sentient as cattle. We're already ignoring Hitler, and we'll never actually oppose him unless we're given a safe, easy, and trendy corporate-approved way to do so. So I suppose the answer is: Ignore Hitler if you know he'll never be a threat outside of his own third world country.

Here's a question: Why is it that you're somehow always being manipulated by a sociopath for one reason or another? Is it really that hard to understand that rich people and politicians are corrupt and will lie to your face a lot?
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Re: The Trump impeachment inquiry is underway

Postby Tesseracts » Fri Sep 27, 2019 12:15 am

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Re: The Trump impeachment inquiry is underway

Postby Tesseracts » Fri Sep 27, 2019 3:52 pm

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Re: The Trump impeachment inquiry is underway

Postby Absentia » Fri Sep 27, 2019 7:11 pm

Windy wrote:Mass murders and genociders still exist today. Our own government has a tendency to support them. We don't lift a finger to do anything about it and we don't care about it until we're told to care. I don't think our beliefs or feelings are real. We're probably about as sentient as cattle. We're already ignoring Hitler, and we'll never actually oppose him unless we're given a safe, easy, and trendy corporate-approved way to do so. So I suppose the answer is: Ignore Hitler if you know he'll never be a threat outside of his own third world country.

Here's a question: Why is it that you're somehow always being manipulated by a sociopath for one reason or another? Is it really that hard to understand that rich people and politicians are corrupt and will lie to your face a lot?


There's a lot I could pick apart there, but I'm not going to attempt further discussion if we've arrived at "nothing is real". All I can say is that if you really believe that, you should probably be too busy doing drugs and getting laid to troll me on TCS.

And seriously, dude, weren't you the one kvetching about "conspiracy theories" awhile ago, and now you're telling me that reality is a lie fabricated by the corporate Illuminati? Give me a break.


Meanwhile, back in the land without tinfoil hats, here is FiveThirtyEight's roundup of recent national polls on impeachment. Right now it looks like a plurality (but not a majority) in the low 40's in favor of impeachment, but things are moving so fast it's hard to say much for certain. I noticed that at least one of the polls phrased the question like "Would you support impeachment if Trump withheld aid for personal political gain," which seems relevant; they might not actually support impeachment if they aren't convinced that this is what happened.
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Re: The Trump impeachment inquiry is underway

Postby cmsellers » Fri Sep 27, 2019 10:39 pm

So, I am pleasantly surprised that the Democrats are as taking action. Though to paraphrase one observer:

First they came for the Muslims, and the Democratic establishment did not act because they weren't Muslim.
Then they came for the Central Americans, and the Democratic establishment did not act because they weren't Central American.
Then they came for James Comey, and the establishment Democrats didn't act because James Comey is a twit.
Then they came for an establishment Democrat, and the Democrats went "Oh, shit!"

On another note, based on recent news coverage, I'm wondering if Giuliani will end up going down in history not as a popular mayor of NYC, but as "Trump's personal lawyer, Rudy Giuliani."
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Re: The Trump impeachment inquiry is underway

Postby NathanLoiselle » Sat Sep 28, 2019 12:22 am

You forgot the word 'deranged' in that last quote.
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Re: The Trump impeachment inquiry is underway

Postby iMURDAu » Mon Sep 30, 2019 1:27 am

NathanLoiselle wrote:You forgot the word 'deranged' in that last quote.


"deranged Trump's personal lawyer, Rudy Giuliani."

"Trump's deranged personal lawyer, Rudy Giuliani."

"Trump's personal, deranged lawyer, Rudy Giuliani."

"Trump's personal lawyer, Rudy 'Deranged' Giuliani."

Back on topic I'm cool with riding this shit out until the next election but if the Dems think they're going to flex nuts and kick him out then good luck. My prediction if Trump is booted the GOP will be off the hook for every odious thing he's said and done and zero of it will be able to scar them in future elections. That's a hell of a gamble for a phone call.
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Re: The Trump impeachment inquiry is underway

Postby Deathclaw_Puncher » Mon Sep 30, 2019 9:51 pm

Adding another box of firewood or ten on this endless pyre, Trump has not only implicitly threatened civil war if impeached, but also had been revealed to try and get Australia to investigate Mueller, presumably only to end up two-faced and confused.

And that might not be all he tried to contact for illegal shit.
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Re: The Trump impeachment inquiry is underway

Postby Deathclaw_Puncher » Mon Sep 30, 2019 10:34 pm

.......And now Barris implicated in Italy.

Just one more country and that's a bingo!
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Re: The Trump impeachment inquiry is underway

Postby cmsellers » Tue Oct 01, 2019 3:19 am

Counterintuitively, I think these new revelations might actually somewhat strengthen Trump's case that there's no quid pro quo. On the Ukraine call, the implied quid pro quo could hardly be clearer. But if demanding US allies investigate Trump's opponents is normal behavior, then the argument that there's no implied threat becomes somewhat stronger. Unfortunately for Trump, I don't think that outweighs the rather damning fact that he withheld military aid from the Ukraine at the same time he made the request.

And more importantly: the "no quid pro quo" argument is beside the point. The mere absence of an aggravating factor is not a mitigating factor. It's as if a murderer argued "I'm not guilty; I didn't rape her before I tortured her to death in front of her children." It is completely unacceptable for a US president to ask foreign governments to dig up dirt on his opponents and critics. The fact that the Republican establishment seems to think otherwise is as appalling as it is, at this point, unsurprising.
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Re: The Trump impeachment inquiry is underway

Postby iMURDAu » Tue Oct 01, 2019 11:48 pm

Where is Obama and why is he not trolling Trump endlessly online?
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Re: The Trump impeachment inquiry is underway

Postby Deathclaw_Puncher » Fri Oct 04, 2019 5:35 am

So, Schiff, Engel, and Cummings released a trove of text messages. It's over. There's no coming back from this.
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Re: The Trump impeachment inquiry is underway

Postby Krashlia » Fri Oct 04, 2019 2:44 pm

Deathclaw_Puncher wrote:It's over. There's no coming back from this.


I mean, You say that... but I'm not so sure.
We've all heard those words before.
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Re: The Trump impeachment inquiry is underway

Postby iMURDAu » Fri Oct 04, 2019 9:42 pm

Ya know, I'm going to say this again because I'm a broken record.

Hillary wouldn't have this problem. There wouldn't be any impeachment proceedings over her asking for dirt on an opponent from a foreign leader. She'd have someone 3 levels below her that she rarely sees handle that stuff. And if they fucked up and something leaked they'd end up the victim of a random robbery in D.C. that escalated into a murder which is a thing that happens so often you can't say it was a hitjob. Trump doesn't have killers on the payroll because he's not a gangsta.
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Re: The Trump impeachment inquiry is underway

Postby Doodle Dee. Snickers » Sat Oct 05, 2019 2:58 am

Deathclaw_Puncher wrote:So, Schiff, Engel, and Cummings released a trove of text messages. It's over. There's no coming back from this.


You sweet summer child.

Trump, on Thursday, in front of the media, literally stood on the white house lawn and happily asked China, our geopolitical foe, to dig up dirt on Biden. The GOP is dead silent.

He'll get impeached, and he damn well should be removed for what may be actual no-shit treason, but he ultimately won't be. Forty percent of this country is enraged that another forty percent of this country hasn't been driven into concentration camps yet for voting in a way they don't like, and as long as that attitude holds, they will accept anything from Trump, because to them, they are in the midst of a civil war in which no measure is too extreme.

If this goes unanswered, and I'm pretty sure it will, then Trump wins reelection, which I give him abour a 30% shot of doing it, that'll be pretty much it for us. We've had a good run, ~320 years is a long time for a democracy to last. Don't know where we'll go from there, but it won't be anywhere pretty.

By the way, let's talk about how rich it is that these supposed nationalists love other countries prying into our affairs as long as it politically benefits them.
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