Crimson847 wrote:...hmm.
So, guys, has it happened yet? Have we been thrown back to the dark ages of...let me check...early 2015?
Until 2015, there were no clear legal protections requiring net neutrality. In 2015, the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) reclassified broadband as a Title II communication service with providers being "common carriers", not "information providers", in a party-line 3–2 vote.[3][4][5][6]
Ugh, remember 2015? When liberal websites, porn sites, and filesharing services were all unusable because the ISPs throttled their traffic to hell? When the average Joe couldn't make money on the internet because ISPs charged an extra $50 for viewing any site other than Google or Facebook? Remember how it was impossible for the Obama FCC to reclassify broadband providers as common carriers because the ISPs just shut down any website that promoted the idea? Truly, it was an apocalyptic hellscape. I can't believe that subhuman vermin Ajit Pai wants us to go back to those horrible old days.
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Deathclaw_Puncher wrote:Crimson, it's not about whether that sort of internet hellscape was present beforehand, so much as that corporations would be incentivized to make it as such given the opportunity, especially with some Verizon lawyer shill in place as FCC Chairman.
Delta Jim wrote:Crimson847 wrote:...hmm.
So, guys, has it happened yet? Have we been thrown back to the dark ages of...let me check...early 2015?
Until 2015, there were no clear legal protections requiring net neutrality. In 2015, the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) reclassified broadband as a Title II communication service with providers being "common carriers", not "information providers", in a party-line 3–2 vote.[3][4][5][6]
Ugh, remember 2015? When liberal websites, porn sites, and filesharing services were all unusable because the ISPs throttled their traffic to hell? When the average Joe couldn't make money on the internet because ISPs charged an extra $50 for viewing any site other than Google or Facebook? Remember how it was impossible for the Obama FCC to reclassify broadband providers as common carriers because the ISPs just shut down any website that promoted the idea? Truly, it was an apocalyptic hellscape. I can't believe that subhuman vermin Ajit Pai wants us to go back to those horrible old days.
If you're going to link a Wikipedia article to defend your point you might want to make sure the page you linked doesn't contradict your point.
Crimson847 wrote:
They had the opportunity before, for 24 years (from the dawn of the public Internet in 1991 to the adoption of the new FCC rules in 2015). If they didn't take it then, why would they do so now?
Crimson847 wrote:Apparently I wasn't clear enough about what my point is. I'm not arguing that net neutrality is useless or unnecessary, I'm arguing that repealing it will not create the situation folks have been predicting in this thread, where porn becomes inaccessible, profitable content creation on the internet becomes impossible except for millionaires or big corporations, politically liberal websites are systematically blocked (or throttled to the point where they might as well be blocked), and future reinstatement of net neutrality rules becomes impossible.
KleinerKiller wrote:The bills have yet to go beyond the early stages and will no doubt meet roadblocks, but the fact that the fight is not over even though many have thrown up their hands and simply given up looks promising.
Senate Democrats are touting growing momentum to reinstate Obama-era net neutrality protections, though they face a steep uphill battle to pass their bill.
Democrats announced Tuesday they have 40 co-sponsors for a resolution of disapproval that would overturn a repeal of the regulations, essentially guaranteeing them a procedural vote on the floor.
Senate Democrats are using the Congressional Review Act, which allows Congress to roll back regulatory actions by the executive branch, in their attempt to reverse the repeal. It's an effort that will take months. The FCC must first publish its final rule in the Federal Register. After that, Markey has 60 days to introduce his resolution of disapproval, which requires 30 co-sponsors to move to the floor.
Once it gets to the floor, it would go through a motion to proceed, which requires a simple majority of 51 votes. Since Republicans have a 51-49 majority, they could kill the bill if they all vote against it. To pass it, Democrats would need two Republicans to cross over to support the motion to proceed — and that's assuming all Democrats vote for it.
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