gisambards wrote: Tobacco companies and most drug dealers are, and that is entirely immoral and ends a lot of lives.
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gisambards wrote:Do you know what most drugs do to people? Do you think the kind of person willing to sell heroin to people is a bad person because heroin is illegal, or because they're the kind of person willing to sell that poison to people? While I acknowledge that a lot of drugs pushers are simply disaffected youths who have been failed by the system, born into poverty and with no other immediate options, most of these don't go into it as a full-time job - they're usually moral enough to not get too heavily involved (and that doesn't necessarily mean they're saints, it just means they've got at the very least some semblance of compassion). The ones who actively make a career out of selling drugs - they're bad people. They just are. They're selling addictive, dangerous chemicals to people who they know will keep buying them, and will ultimately die because of it. They're prioritising their finances over the lives of other people. It's not being poor that does that. It's being a bad person.
gisambards wrote:The reason the alcohol trade is not immoral in my eyes is simply because it doesn't prey off of addiction as its business model - the people selling alcohol are not trying to get their customers addicted to their product.
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Britain isn't all tea, crumpets and stately homes. I grew up in a part of Manchester with a lot of these issues. We have an mostly effective drugs policy, and yet drug abuse is rampant in parts of society - even the Scandinavians, with their justice system and drugs policy focused almost entirely on reform, have drugs issues in their inner cities.
Yeah, the war on drugs is terrible, I get it. But it's idiocy to pretend it's the main reason for drugs issues in society - the rest of us have the same problems.
aviel wrote:Yes to the former if you don't cut people off and knowingly serve addicts, and yes to the latter regardless. (Alcohol is not harmful in small amounts, cigarettes are harmful in any amount).
Yes without a prescription, yes, debateable, yes, I'd have to do more research ,I'd have to do more research, and you'll need to be more specific.
Maybe I shouldn't say "Bad Person™", but getting people addicted to drugs (even legal drugs) is an immoral thing.
gisambards wrote:iMURDAu wrote:You can see things from your lofty perch across the ocean
Britain isn't all tea, crumpets and stately homes. I grew up in a part of Manchester with a lot of these issues. We have an mostly effective drugs policy, and yet drug abuse is rampant in parts of society - even the Scandinavians, with their justice system and drugs policy focused almost entirely on reform, have drugs issues in their inner cities.
Yeah, the war on drugs is terrible, I get it. But it's idiocy to pretend it's the main reason for drugs issues in society - the rest of us have the same problems.
gisambards wrote:Well, if you apparently think there's nothing immoral about taking advantage of people and addicting them to substances that will ruin their lives and ultimately kill them, then I get why you might be sympathetic to drug dealers. Personally, I believe profiting from poisoning people to be nothing but immoral, no matter how poor you are: besides, the vast majority of poor people actually don't deal drugs, and there are a lot of rich drug dealers (drug barons, or tobacco company executives, for example), so I think anyone blaming it entirely on society and the law clearly hasn't seen this sort of thing first-hand.
Crimson847 wrote:So if I run a business with an alcohol license where I don't really know whether my customers are addicts or not and don't put much effort into finding out (popular bars, convenience stores, liquor stores, etc.), am I a bad person?
As for cigarettes, this would mean anyone who sells cigarettes (convenience store employees, grocery store employees, smoke shop employees, etc.) gets slotted into the "bad person" category. Seems a bit much.
What set of qualifications did you use to arrive at these answers?
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Ericthebearjew wrote:Well, they're being charged with manslaughter.
The most severe charge appeared to be second-degree murder, filed against Officer Caesar Goodson, who was driving a transport van that brought Mr. Gray to the Western District police station after his April 12 arrest.
Other charges included involuntary manslaughter, assault, false imprisonment and misconduct in office, Baltimore State’s Attorney Marilyn Mosby said at a news conference. Warrants were issued for their arrests, Ms. Mosby said.
The Baltimore Police Fraternal Order of Police No. 3 issued a letter to Mosby Friday morning on behalf of the officers involved saying that the death was not the officers’ faults and they also requested a special prosecutor citing conflicts of interest with Mosby’s office.
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