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Re: John Cheese just got #metoo'd

Postby DoglovingJim » Tue Sep 25, 2018 8:07 pm

AMg wrote:@Kivutar I appreciate the correction. I exposed my cultural backwardness by making it clear I don't know anything about art haha!

@NathanLoiselle Nope! Just a broke ass grad student who enjoyed someone finally writing articles about life as a member of the poor/working class. Again, not excusing what he did, nor do I have any reason to believe his victim is lying. Just wish more people could appreciate creative output despite it occasionally coming from unpleasant people.


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Re: John Cheese just got #metoo'd

Postby Crimson847 » Tue Sep 25, 2018 10:24 pm

So, is Talia Jane a pseudonym, or are we talking about this person?
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Re: John Cheese just got #metoo'd

Postby Kate » Tue Sep 25, 2018 11:15 pm

Crimson847 wrote:So, is Talia Jane a pseudonym, or are we talking about this person?

That's the one.

Okay so I know I tend to be not of the "believe women no matter what!" Mindset anyway, but she herself said that she responded to him by...logging off Twitter and asking of his wife knew? It's an abuse of power but it's not clear that he consciously and knowingly abused his power. She can say "I didn't want to burn bridges and he knew that and took advantage" but did he know that and take advantage? We'll never know unless he says he did, and what he said was that he never thought about it like that until her recent post. It doesn't take away from the fact that this was wrong and he should have known this was sexual harassment and abuse of his power. It doesn't change get that he's a sleazeball. But I am very uncomfortable making a judgment of his intent and then tying retributive punishment to that.
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Re: John Cheese just got #metoo'd

Postby NathanLoiselle » Wed Sep 26, 2018 12:20 am

Aren't we all broke ass grad students when it comes down to it? Aren't we all??
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Re: John Cheese just got #metoo'd

Postby mmf » Wed Sep 26, 2018 8:21 pm

Kate wrote:
Crimson847 wrote:So, is Talia Jane a pseudonym, or are we talking about this person?

That's the one.

Okay so I know I tend to be not of the "believe women no matter what!" Mindset anyway, but she herself said that she responded to him by...logging off Twitter and asking of his wife knew? It's an abuse of power but it's not clear that he consciously and knowingly abused his power. She can say "I didn't want to burn bridges and he knew that and took advantage" but did he know that and take advantage? We'll never know unless he says he did, and what he said was that he never thought about it like that until her recent post. It doesn't take away from the fact that this was wrong and he should have known this was sexual harassment and abuse of his power. It doesn't change get that he's a sleazeball. But I am very uncomfortable making a judgment of his intent and then tying retributive punishment to that.



Correct me if I am wrong but didn't she say that was her first reaction? That his behavior escalated and she took it to HR?
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Re: John Cheese just got #metoo'd

Postby Windy » Fri Sep 28, 2018 1:22 am

I think Cracked needs to go one step further and not only erase Cheese from the website, but erase Cheese from existence.
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Re: John Cheese just got #metoo'd

Postby NathanLoiselle » Fri Sep 28, 2018 1:32 am

You mean summon the dark arts Windy? That would be ... dark.
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Re: John Cheese just got #metoo'd

Postby ghijkmnop » Fri Sep 28, 2018 3:18 am

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Re: John Cheese just got #metoo'd

Postby Kate » Fri Sep 28, 2018 4:43 am

mmf wrote:
Kate wrote:
Crimson847 wrote:So, is Talia Jane a pseudonym, or are we talking about this person?

That's the one.

Okay so I know I tend to be not of the "believe women no matter what!" Mindset anyway, but she herself said that she responded to him by...logging off Twitter and asking of his wife knew? It's an abuse of power but it's not clear that he consciously and knowingly abused his power. She can say "I didn't want to burn bridges and he knew that and took advantage" but did he know that and take advantage? We'll never know unless he says he did, and what he said was that he never thought about it like that until her recent post. It doesn't take away from the fact that this was wrong and he should have known this was sexual harassment and abuse of his power. It doesn't change get that he's a sleazeball. But I am very uncomfortable making a judgment of his intent and then tying retributive punishment to that.



Correct me if I am wrong but didn't she say that was her first reaction? That his behavior escalated and she took it to HR?

She did, but never says that she asked him directly to stop. Maybe she did and just didn't say it, but logging off of Twitter isn't a signal at all and "does your wife know?" can easily come across as flirtatious in text. That's why I'm questioning the extent to which he understood his advances were unwanted before losing his column, or whether he realizes he was in a position of power that compromised her ability to consent in the first place even after that (his claims seem to indicate that part is a recent revelation to him). I think this stuff should be obvious to people who are self-aware and aware of enthusiastic consent, but I don't think John Cheese is very self aware. So to say he purposely used his position to take advantage is understandable but I'm not sure if it's accurate. It doesn't really change a lot.
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Re: John Cheese just got #metoo'd

Postby 52xMax » Fri Sep 28, 2018 8:20 am

Windy wrote:I think Cracked needs to go one step further and not only erase Cheese from the website, but erase Cheese from existence.


That's rather lactose intolerant of you.

I still think this thread needs more puns
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Re: John Cheese just got #metoo'd

Postby Marcuse » Fri Sep 28, 2018 12:22 pm

Why stop with just cheese? Erase yoghurt as well or you're all a bunch of hypocrites. End the dairy fascism.
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Re: John Cheese just got #metoo'd

Postby Tesseracts » Fri Sep 28, 2018 4:56 pm

ghijkmnop wrote:
Windy wrote:I think Cracked needs to go one step further and not only erase Cheese from the website, but erase Cheese from existence.


Given the amount of crap I got for ironically calling for the punching of Sargent, I'm pretty sure you deserve a little crap for calling for a murder.

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Re: John Cheese just got #metoo'd

Postby ghijkmnop » Fri Sep 28, 2018 5:12 pm

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Re: John Cheese just got #metoo'd

Postby Tesseracts » Fri Sep 28, 2018 5:31 pm

ghijkmnop wrote:I don't have a problem with the post. I have a problem with how I was treated before in this context.

If you don't have an issue with the post, you have no reason to wish for the poster to get crap for it.

If you have a problem with the soft moderation you got in the past you know what to do and it's not posting in this thread about it. You can go to the ask a mod forum or just message the staff about it.
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Re: John Cheese just got #metoo'd

Postby ghijkmnop » Fri Sep 28, 2018 5:48 pm

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