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7 Reasons We're Quietly Letting Racists Win

Postby Crimson847 » Thu Apr 13, 2017 1:44 am

http://www.cracked.com/blog/7-reasons-w ... cists-win/

It's a Wong article, and I really liked it. Come at me bros.
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"If it were all so simple! If only there were evil people somewhere insidiously committing evil deeds, and it were necessary only to separate them from the rest of us and destroy them; but the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being. And who is willing to destroy a piece of his own heart?"
- Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn
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Re: 7 Reasons We're Quietly Letting Racists Win

Postby cmsellers » Thu Apr 13, 2017 3:54 am

Pargin me for saying so, but I find the premise of the Wong article incorrect. I would not try to shut down a young person who came to me with racist statistics, and my instincts are probably closer to those of these young people he's talking about (the post-Millennial generation) than those he imputes to the reader.

I absolutely believe that censorship and hypocrisy are worse than racism. Fortunately, racists tend to be much worse on both fronts than anti-racist types. You guys remember that Windy was banned from /pol/ for saying the Holocaust happened? Have any of you been to the Stormfront forums and seen that they have only one forum for opposing views, and even that's subject to censorship?

Now, I'm definitely an outlier: I'm willing to say that it's entirely possible that black people are as a group less intelligent or more violent, though none of the "evidence" I've seen thus far is remotely convincing, but that even if that were the case it would still not justify discrimination on the basis of race. I'm also willing to say that I think it's so likely there are not genetic differences between groups of different races (and that even if there were it wouldn't matter) that I'd be fine with more research on this subject.

I remember reading The Bell Curve shortly after college. I was feeling pretty shitty about myself because I was having trouble finding a job and had had no lock with women during my time in college. I was half-convinced by their arguments in the first part of the book, then I came to their sections on race, and was amazed by the intellectual dishonesty the authors displayed there. They did a lot of "correlation = causation" type arguments, and the most appalling thing I remember is that they at one point said basically "these are big differences between blacks and whites and it's just unbelievable that environmental factors could account for them," which is literally just the argument from incredulity.

Thomas Sowell has a good takedown of the book's section on race that I can't find because white nationalists have managed to get their idiotic responses to Sowell dominating the search results and I don't feel like digging beyond the first three pages, but the point is that for me, the important thing wasn't being instilled with a belief in the moral importance of tolerance, but having learned the value of logic and the scientific method as well as the flaws in how people often interpret the results of scientific studies.

So while I agree with Wong that "don't listen to those nasty racists" isn't going to cut it with kids today, I believe that, as with many things, the proper answer is better education, particularly regarding science.
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Re: 7 Reasons We're Quietly Letting Racists Win

Postby ghijkmnop » Thu Apr 13, 2017 3:19 pm

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Re: 7 Reasons We're Quietly Letting Racists Win

Postby Aquila89 » Thu Apr 13, 2017 4:58 pm

I'm pretty certain that racists would say that this already happened.
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Re: 7 Reasons We're Quietly Letting Racists Win

Postby IamNotCreepy » Thu Apr 13, 2017 5:58 pm

ghijkmnop wrote:I'm pretty certain that in this day and age, if science conclusively proved <insert thing you're not supposed to think, let alone say, here>, it would be shouted down as lies, and the scientists responsible for the research would be vilified to within an inch of their sanity.


I'm pretty sure that's exactly what happened with early evolutionists. Now, creationists claim this against other scientists. Same with climate change deniers.
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Re: 7 Reasons We're Quietly Letting Racists Win

Postby ghijkmnop » Thu Apr 13, 2017 6:07 pm

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Re: 7 Reasons We're Quietly Letting Racists Win

Postby cmsellers » Thu Apr 13, 2017 6:21 pm

ghijkmnop wrote:The examples running through my head were along the line of "there is a 'gay gene', and it can be filtered via CRISPR."

What's wrong with that? It means that once we discover immortality we can make everyone gay and the future will be fabulous.
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