Matthew Notch wrote:I'm... I'm just gonna say it.
"It squicks me out" is sometimes a perfectly fine rationale. I sort of hate the fact that we even have to discuss consent when it comes to having sex with animals. It's not natural. I don't care if someone is born with an innate desire to have sex with animals, that isn't natural. That is an anomaly. That is a psychological issue that needs to be resolved with therapy or medication or anything other than actually having sex with animals. Is it only wrong because society says so? No! It's wrong because, in the large large majority of people's minds, having sex with animals isn't just bad manners, it's a wholesale abomination. That's hardwired into their psychology. To me, that hardwiring means more than the fact that society's laws have decided to be guided by it. It's in them, and for me that's in them for a reason.
Matthew Notch wrote:I'm... I'm just gonna say it.
"It squicks me out" is sometimes a perfectly fine rationale. I sort of hate the fact that we even have to discuss consent when it comes to having sex with animals. It's not natural. I don't care if someone is born with an innate desire to have sex with animals, that isn't natural. That is an anomaly. That is a psychological issue that needs to be resolved with therapy or medication or anything other than actually having sex with animals. Is it only wrong because society says so? No! It's wrong because, in the large large majority of people's minds, having sex with animals isn't just bad manners, it's a wholesale abomination. That's hardwired into their psychology. To me, that hardwiring means more than the fact that society's laws have decided to be guided by it. It's in them, and for me that's in them for a reason.
There are other perfectly good reasons to not have sex with animals, including risk of serious illness, the immorality of lack of consent, the danger in those animals reacting with violence, or in the case of animals having sex with you, the danger of your own cornhole being torn up by a penis that is definitely not just your size, as in horse shows. But all those things are so secondary to the fact that it's considered pretty gross to the average, healthy, even-keeled adult. If you ignore those leadings long enough, you can condition yourself to believing that it's okay, and if society as a whole starts doing that, eventually the consensus may one day lead to a beautiful new day of sexual liberation with all creatures great and small. Maybe not, maybe that's all slippery slope, but I'm not convinced. To me, then, trying to pin down the immorality of something like bestiality on pure logic is more dangerous than trying to find a better reason than "it's just not right".
Jack Road wrote:Also in addition to that, we do not ask animals for their consent on many other aspects, such as use as workers, meat, or research. And we do not ask consent in manipulating them sexually for other reasons, such as castrating them or inseminating them.
Matthew Notch wrote:I'm... I'm just gonna say it.
"It squicks me out" is sometimes a perfectly fine rationale. I sort of hate the fact that we even have to discuss consent when it comes to having sex with animals. It's not natural. I don't care if someone is born with an innate desire to have sex with animals, that isn't natural. That is an anomaly. That is a psychological issue that needs to be resolved with therapy or medication or anything other than actually having sex with animals. Is it only wrong because society says so? No! It's wrong because, in the large large majority of people's minds, having sex with animals isn't just bad manners, it's a wholesale abomination. That's hardwired into their psychology. To me, that hardwiring means more than the fact that society's laws have decided to be guided by it. It's in them, and for me that's in them for a reason.
There are other perfectly good reasons to not have sex with animals, including risk of serious illness, the immorality of lack of consent, the danger in those animals reacting with violence, or in the case of animals having sex with you, the danger of your own cornhole being torn up by a penis that is definitely not just your size, as in horse shows. But all those things are so secondary to the fact that it's considered pretty gross to the average, healthy, even-keeled adult. If you ignore those leadings long enough, you can condition yourself to believing that it's okay, and if society as a whole starts doing that, eventually the consensus may one day lead to a beautiful new day of sexual liberation with all creatures great and small. Maybe not, maybe that's all slippery slope, but I'm not convinced. To me, then, trying to pin down the immorality of something like bestiality on pure logic is more dangerous than trying to find a better reason than "it's just not right".
Aquila89 wrote:It's funny that we, liberals here are behaving how conservative opponents of gay rights characterize us. They say: "If gay marriage is okay, why not polygamy? Why not incest? Why not bestiality?". There were threads on this forum about each of these, and people said: "indeed, why not?"
Zevran wrote:Magic can kill. Knives can kill. Even small children launched at great speeds can kill.
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