5 Things I Learned Infiltrating Deep Web Child Molesters

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Re: 5 Things I Learned Infiltrating Deep Web Child Molesters

Postby Tesseracts » Wed Jun 17, 2015 7:12 am

In December 2014, a reported 80 percent of visits to the Deep Web involved child pornography. In an article full of staggering horror, that last sentence somehow manages to be the most chilling.

I haven't looked into this at all, but claims like this are really suspicious to me. The deep web is huge, and child molesters are not a large portion of the population. The deep web is much, much larger than the surface web.
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Re: 5 Things I Learned Infiltrating Deep Web Child Molesters

Postby Jack Road » Wed Jun 17, 2015 8:17 am

I too am suspicious of this statistic, as I am not sure how you arrive at a percentage population of something defined simply as "not defined."
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Re: 5 Things I Learned Infiltrating Deep Web Child Molesters

Postby PSTN » Wed Jun 17, 2015 9:11 am

Tesseracts wrote:
In December 2014, a reported 80 percent of visits to the Deep Web involved child pornography. In an article full of staggering horror, that last sentence somehow manages to be the most chilling.

I haven't looked into this at all, but claims like this are really suspicious to me. The deep web is huge, and child molesters are not a large portion of the population. The deep web is much, much larger than the surface web.


Could just be mixing up "Deep Web" with "Dark Web". The deep web is just everything not indexed by search engines, and is mostly just databases, corporate intranets, and login sites. This is the deep web that's several times larger than the normal (surface) web. The dark web is Tor hidden service .onion sites.

If the internet is an ocean, the surface web is the top bit where all the dolphins and colourful fish live, the deep web is the vast expanse under that where the nets can't reach, and the dark web is like the Mariana trench. It's so far down it requires special technologies just to visit, and every time you go there you find some new and horrifying abomination.

I think they're claiming that Tor hidden services are 80% child porn. Which might be about right, depending on how you count it. There's a few "big" sites that mostly just traffic in drugs and stuff, like Silk Road and Evolution, then there's thousands of other sites that deliberately try to keep themselves off the wikis and as secret as possible, for obvious reasons.

Also, the dark web naturally selects for nefarious actors, because if you were running a normal (or at least legal) website, you'd probably just run a regular web server. There's a reason this is "thecommentsection.org" and not "7h3c0mm3n753c710n.onion"
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Re: 5 Things I Learned Infiltrating Deep Web Child Molesters

Postby Jack Road » Wed Jun 17, 2015 9:50 am

Shit, PTSN knows about the real Comment Section.

Everybody abort.
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Re: 5 Things I Learned Infiltrating Deep Web Child Molesters

Postby Australia » Wed Jun 17, 2015 9:59 am

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Re: 5 Things I Learned Infiltrating Deep Web Child Molesters

Postby Popinki » Wed Jun 17, 2015 1:56 pm

PSTN wrote:I wasn't going to post about it, since I didn't want to come off looking like I'm saying "Oh, I'm so edgy and disconnected", but since it's been brought up, I figure I might as well raise my hand as someone who wasn't particularly phased by the article.

Ditto. It didn't upset me because I've also seen internet pedophiles in action more than once so it wasn't telling me anything I didn't already know or suspect. One was actively grooming an underage forum member, a couple who admitted to their desires and struggled to keep it hidden because they knew it was wrong; I couldn't help feeling sorry for the poor bastiges, and one arrogant pustule who would pop into unrelated topics to announce his beliefs that kids as young as four were capable of giving informed consent and that children were capable of feeling sexual pleasure from birth (think of the bunnies think of the bunnies think of the bunnies) That one was allowed to linger entirely too long before the moderation banned him.

I was mostly pleased to see it brought out into the light and awareness raised.
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Re: 5 Things I Learned Infiltrating Deep Web Child Molesters

Postby NathanLoiselle » Wed Jun 17, 2015 8:08 pm

There was a study, by a European group of students, that checked the size of the dark web based on the number of web pages and found that A) it's mostly drug trade and B) it's not nearly as large as one would think. It was noted that they called the police each time they saw something that could be reasonably prosecuted. I just wish I could remember where I read the article that discussed it.
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Re: 5 Things I Learned Infiltrating Deep Web Child Molesters

Postby rowdyrodimus » Wed Jun 17, 2015 11:33 pm

I see the silver lining in the cloud. Make no mistake that I abhor the subject matter and anyone who hurts kids in any way shape or form. (Plus it makes it really weird when I tell people "Oh, I love kids!" when I mean it in the most harmless way possible, like seeing their face when you give them a toy they have been wanting seemingly forever or sitting down and playing tea party with my youngest niece. Now to find out why she likes Michelle Bachman so much. Sorry I had to make a joke since this is a dark subject. Now a lot of people think you're a pedophile if you say that.)

The silver lining is that with using the Deep Web, you don't have instances like we did in the dark ages of the internet, I'm talking AOL Chatrooms and the like. Back then I literally saw a woman and man advertising their children for prostitution. IIRC, they were from Florida (Of course.) and if you lived in the area, you could get one daughter for $50 an hour, both for $75 and they would record it for you for $200. A lot of us tried to get them arrested but this was before we could really track IP's and they would only deal with people that they could verify were "OK" (in their terms, so they had to check out with at least two other people into CP that they knew).

When Yahoo Chat came around and we were all looking for amateur sex cams (Come on, admit it, most of us did it) there wasn't any of that type of stuff going on thank God or at least none that I came across. Although the second sickest thing when it comes to sex deviance was rampant there, bestiality. I remember coming across it once and someone being able to get the IP address and they had them arrested.

So it's sick, disgusting, evil, against the law and inhuman but one good thing is we don't have to worry about just coming across it when we're just trying to find the score of a ball game or checking out the Onion or something. But at least it isn't something we'll just happen on anymore. I'd rather it be completely gone, but that will never happen, so we have to celebrate the little victories I guess.
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Re: 5 Things I Learned Infiltrating Deep Web Child Molesters

Postby Paradox » Thu Jun 18, 2015 12:26 am

rowdyrodimus wrote:(Plus it makes it really weird when I tell people "Oh, I love kids!" when I mean it in the most harmless way possible, like seeing their face when you give them a toy they have been wanting seemingly forever or sitting down and playing tea party with my youngest niece. Now to find out why she likes Michelle Bachman so much. Sorry I had to make a joke since this is a dark subject. Now a lot of people think you're a pedophile if you say that.)

The opposite also yields pretty much the same reaction. Look, I don't like a noisy, slimy ball of ooze, running around, making a mess and putting their grubby little paws on everything I own and love and breaking it forever, but that doesn't mean I'm favorable with, or accept in any way, their abuse and molestation.
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Re: 5 Things I Learned Infiltrating Deep Web Child Molesters

Postby PSTN » Thu Jun 18, 2015 11:05 pm

Man, you just can't win with kids. I said "I love kids", they said I was a pedophile. So I said "I hate kids", and they said I was a child abuser. Then I said "I feel no strong emotions one way or the other towards kids" and they said I was a witch.
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Re: 5 Things I Learned Infiltrating Deep Web Child Molesters

Postby Jaspirita » Sat Jun 20, 2015 8:38 am

Articles like this make me want to hug my daughter and never let her out of the house, ever. My first instinct is, "Touch my daughter and I'll f-ing kill you."


I want to throw up. I want to protect my children. I want to cry. I want to rage.

With all of that said, I am glad that Pam agreed to write this. It needs to be known and shown. Hiding it only makes things worse.
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Re: 5 Things I Learned Infiltrating Deep Web Child Molesters

Postby Cordslash » Sun Jun 21, 2015 11:52 pm

Oy.

Really, really shouldn't have read this.

If the "dark web" existed when I was a child then my teacher may have shared all kinds of stuff he did to me, instead of it just being "our secret".

There are a few people on this thread who argue, correctly, that violent revenge fantasies are not agreeable.

But sometimes, not often anymore, but sometimes all you want to do is take a hammer to their toes because of what they did. Even if it was long ago and they're probably out of prison by now.

What I'm saying is that these things have a habit of staying with you forever, and people sharing such things with others is so despicable that there really are no words to describe it.
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