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Re: 5 Things I Learned Infiltrating Deep Web Child Molesters

Postby Nullbert » Tue Jun 16, 2015 6:54 pm

This is the most depressing thing I've read on Cracked since that Nicholas Pell article.

Seriously, I knew it was going to be pretty horrifying, but damn... there may not be enough animal gifs on the internet...
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Re: 5 Things I Learned Infiltrating Deep Web Child Molesters

Postby Paradox » Tue Jun 16, 2015 7:12 pm

I wasn't gonna post this, as it's too strong, but holding it in isn't doing anything to help, either. I guess.

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I used to post on a certain web board. I opened a regularly titled thread.

Inside, there were pictures of a dark skinned girl, no older than 5, with screws and nails being inserted inside her vulva and anus.

I got shocked. I couldn't sleep at night for several days, maybe months. I remembered it so vividly. Like, I'd close my eyes and up popped that image. It was simply terrifying.

Yes, we did take it to the police. But, back then, the notion of user generated content wasn't so widespread. Now a days they know that if someone posts something bad on facebook, it isn't facebook's owner's fault. Well, that wasn't what the police thought. Every single moderator and administrator got interrogated. They were forced to close the page for people 18 or less. Which doesn't even make sense. The guy who posted that was over 18, and it isn't something anyone can see and take lightly, regardless of age. I was underaged at the time.

Eventually, we were able to clear suspicion. I have no idea what happened to the guy who posted, though. I hope they, at least, caught him.
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Re: 5 Things I Learned Infiltrating Deep Web Child Molesters

Postby Popinki » Tue Jun 16, 2015 7:14 pm

Marcuse wrote:I read the whole thing. Now I feel somewhat soiled.

I mean you know these things exist, out there somewhere in the black. But to see one opened up and exposed like that is just terrifying. Like seeing a rock lifted up and all the awful nasties under there scurrying to find the dark again. There's one thing in having preferences, and I applaud the article for continuing to make the point that some people feel like this and fight against it every day, but this is just continual willing and knowing abuse of children for the sake of nothing more than exercise of gratification. The organisation and policing they have for themselves is terrifying to behold, as is the way they instruct others to harm children without other people knowing.

But one thing I saw a lot of in the comments was people who didn't know the hidden pedophilia community, or the dark web itself, existed. That's a lot of upset and angry people who will hopefully be more vigilant about monitoring their kids' web use, reporting dodgy web links, chat room slimebags etc.

It's not as hidden as it was.

I'm glad it makes people aware that child molestors aren't just creepy middle-aged white guys, but that they look like real people, even mothers (like the appropriately named "sarahthecunt"). Maybe that'll make people realize that allegations of abuse should always be taken seriously and not brushed off becuase "mothers wouldn't do that to their own kids" or "a solid citizen like him? No way!"

I admire Pam, who knew full well she'd have been in for a world of shit if she got caught, and then went sort of public with it to make folks aware of it. It gives me new appreciation for the undercover law enforcement people who have to dig through this slime day in and day out looking for the tiniest lead and never, ever break cover. I'm more thankful than ever for people who work with abuse victims to help heal the wounds and break the cycle.
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Re: 5 Things I Learned Infiltrating Deep Web Child Molesters

Postby sunglasses » Tue Jun 16, 2015 7:27 pm

Nullbert wrote:This is the most depressing thing I've read on Cracked since that Nicholas Pell article.

Seriously, I knew it was going to be pretty horrifying, but damn... there may not be enough animal gifs on the internet...


A CHALLENGER IS NEAR!

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Re: 5 Things I Learned Infiltrating Deep Web Child Molesters

Postby ToixStory » Tue Jun 16, 2015 7:39 pm

You know, I thought I was ready. I thought to myself "Well, I browse r/wtf for kicks, I've been to r/spacedicks, I've seen videos of ISIS murdering people, I can handle anything!" I was wrong. I was so, so, so wrong.

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Re: 5 Things I Learned Infiltrating Deep Web Child Molesters

Postby FaceTheCitizen » Tue Jun 16, 2015 7:40 pm

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Re: 5 Things I Learned Infiltrating Deep Web Child Molesters

Postby AdricDePsycho » Tue Jun 16, 2015 7:42 pm

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

WHY?!? JUST...WHY?!? I THOUGHT I COULD HANDLE IT!

I WANT MY MOMMY!!!!

I WANT MY MOMMY!!!!

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Re: 5 Things I Learned Infiltrating Deep Web Child Molesters

Postby Popinki » Tue Jun 16, 2015 7:53 pm

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sunglasses wrote:Alright, I'm authorizing the use of emergency animal gifs.


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I was fine up until the bunnies in the paper cups, then I squee-ed so hard I think I sprained something.
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Re: 5 Things I Learned Infiltrating Deep Web Child Molesters

Postby Paradox » Tue Jun 16, 2015 8:21 pm

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Re: 5 Things I Learned Infiltrating Deep Web Child Molesters

Postby Absentia » Tue Jun 16, 2015 8:57 pm

Well that was definitely one of the heavier things I've ever read. I won't say I'm shocked because I knew this kind of thing went on, but still pretty goddamn disturbing even by the standards of a jaded internet veteran like myself. Hard to imagine anybody could be so sick.
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Re: 5 Things I Learned Infiltrating Deep Web Child Molesters

Postby DjiboutiDan » Tue Jun 16, 2015 9:43 pm

What gets me isn't that these people exist, we know they exist - we'd like to pretend they don't, but we know the truth. No, it's the fact that it's just so commonplace. As the Cracked article mentioned, child pornography is a multi-billion dollar industry.
Over 750,000 people are using child porn sites at any time, said Maalla, a Moroccan medical doctor who was appointed to the unpaid U.N. post last year.

As much as we hate the pornographers, the sex traffickers, and all the other unseemly members of this industry you have to remember that they only continue to exist in this world because they have customers. To reach $20 billion you must have A LOT of customers.

Pedophilia to me is the one thing that I just don't get. I can put myself into the mindset of most anybody - I can understand why people steal, kill, and rape. I can wrap my head around the concept of evil and see that it's nothing more than a human construct; a word used to describe things we don't like so we don't have to admit that the difference between 'us' and 'them' is razor-thin margins in brain wiring. But I just cannot understand how someone can look at a child and be sexually attracted to it. I don't get it from a nature OR nurture perspective.
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Re: 5 Things I Learned Infiltrating Deep Web Child Molesters

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Re: 5 Things I Learned Infiltrating Deep Web Child Molesters

Postby cmsellers » Tue Jun 16, 2015 9:59 pm

So, on my walk, I had an epiphany about why I found the existence of "hurtcore" so shocking.

I think the last time I had this visceral of a reaction towards descriptions of sexual violence when I was a teenager and tried to read 100 Days of Sodom, because I figured it was only shocking by 19th-century Catholic standards. Boy was I wrong; I think I only managed to get like 1/4 of the way through, and even then I was literally nauseous. But I figured that, "hey it's only the ramblings of a demented French nobleman." Recently, I started watching Game of Thrones with Ramsay Bolton and that guy Arya killed in the latest episode, but come on, that's obviously fiction.

I've read plenty of descriptions of horrifying sexual violence in parts of Africa, but I chalked that up to "hey, they're brutal warlords, they're literally evil incarnate; yes it's utterly fucking horrible, but it only happens in extreme circumstances." I read the article about being a sex-slave in modern America, and I've read stories about parents abusing their own children, but I chalked these up to these being isolated cases of the most terrible, evil, demented people in society, cases that make the news precisely because they're so rare.

Realizing that "hurtcore" is a thing was like realizing that 100 Days of Sodom and the sexual sadists of Game of Thrones are closer to "based on a true story" than anything that uses that phrase. Realizing that there's a fucking community of people who gave this sort of thing a fucking name and built a fucking wiki about it means that it's not limited the worst sociopaths in anarchic societies and a tiny handful of serial-killer-type freaks in ours.

So though I was still feeling shocked and slightly nauseous, I went and finished the article. Even going in with my revised expectations, the remainder of the article still managed to shock me again and again. I'd swear some more, but I don't think there's any profanities in any language which can do my feelings justice.

I mean, for one thing, look at those numbers. 60% of these people enjoy "hurtcore" to some degree, and many of the remainder treat it as a "live and let live" kind of thing. And look at the raw numbers of people on that poll. I've never seen a forum on the regular Internet with that many people answering questions. And 80% of people on Tor are using it to share their love of molesting children? I'd always thought that Tor was mostly used to commit piracy. And considering how big piracy is, the number of people who are using it for that must be huge.

For another thing, I always thought that child molesters were either powerful and charismatic men asserting their power, men like Roman Polanski, Woody Allen, Jimmy Saville, pathetic worm-like creatures, often with severe mental retardation, or money-grubbing "pornographers" in countries with lax laws. Instead, I discover that most child molesters are better at internet security than I am, that incestuous rape is insanely common, and that there's a whole subculture of these people. Not the pedophile-support communities (which I already knew about), but actual communities of child molesters.

In short: wow.
Again, I don't think that the English language has the profanities to express how I feel. So suffice to say that in the future, I will try not to use "shocked and appalled" to describe anything as trivial as political corruption or sleazy marketing tactics. Because really, "shocked and appalled" seems like the only phrase that can adequately describe my feelings.
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Re: 5 Things I Learned Infiltrating Deep Web Child Molesters

Postby Anglerphobe » Tue Jun 16, 2015 10:07 pm

It's disquieting to read the many comments masturbating over their own impotent rage; fantasising about tortures and all kinds of brutality. I'd like to think it's just these people's way of handling the shock of what they've read, but I don't like seeing it.
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Re: 5 Things I Learned Infiltrating Deep Web Child Molesters

Postby AdricDePsycho » Tue Jun 16, 2015 10:12 pm

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cmsellers wrote:So, on my walk, I had an epiphany about why I found the existence of "hurtcore" so shocking.

I think the last time I had this visceral of a reaction towards descriptions of sexual violence when I was a teenager and tried to read 100 Days of Sodom, because I figured it was only shocking by 19th-century Catholic standards. Boy was I wrong; I think I only managed to get like 1/4 of the way through, and even then I was literally nauseous. But I figured that, "hey it's only the ramblings of a demented French nobleman." Recently, I started watching Game of Thrones with Ramsay Bolton and that guy Arya killed in the latest episode, but come on, that's obviously fiction.

I've read plenty of descriptions of horrifying sexual violence in parts of Africa, but I chalked that up to "hey, they're brutal warlords, they're literally evil incarnate; yes it's utterly fucking horrible, but it only happens in extreme circumstances." I read the article about being a sex-slave in modern America, and I've read stories about parents abusing their own children, but I chalked these up to these being isolated cases of the most terrible, evil, demented people in society, cases that make the news precisely because they're so rare.

Realizing that "hurtcore" is a thing was like realizing that 100 Days of Sodom and the sexual sadists of Game of Thrones are closer to "based on a true story" than anything that uses that phrase. Realizing that there's a fucking community of people who gave this sort of thing a fucking name and built a fucking wiki about it means that it's not limited the worst sociopaths in anarchic societies and a tiny handful of serial-killer-type freaks in ours.

So though I was still feeling shocked and slightly nauseous, I went and finished the article. Even going in with my revised expectations, the remainder of the article still managed to shock me again and again. I'd swear some more, but I don't think there's any profanities in any language which can do my feelings justice.

I mean, for one thing, look at those numbers. 60% of these people enjoy "hurtcore" to some degree, and many of the remainder treat it as a "live and let live" kind of thing. And look at the raw numbers of people on that poll. I've never seen a forum on the regular Internet with that many people answering questions. And 80% of people on Tor are using it to share their love of molesting children? I'd always thought that Tor was mostly used to commit piracy. And considering how big piracy is, the number of people who are using it for that must be huge.

For another thing, I always thought that child molesters were either powerful and charismatic men asserting their power, men like Roman Polanski, Woody Allen, Jimmy Saville, pathetic worm-like creatures, often with severe mental retardation, or money-grubbing "pornographers" in countries with lax laws. Instead, I discover that most child molesters are better at internet security than I am, that incestuous rape is insanely common, and that there's a whole subculture of these people. Not the pedophile-support communities (which I already knew about), but actual communities of child molesters.

In short: wow.
Again, I don't think that the English language has the profanities to express how I feel. So suffice to say that in the future, I will try not to use "shocked and appalled" to describe anything as trivial as political corruption or sleazy marketing tactics. Because really, "shocked and appalled" seems like the only phrase that can adequately describe my feelings.
100 Days of Sodom was turned into a movie called Salo, which is widely considered the most depraved, disgusting, and offensive film ever made...and it STILL wasn't as bad as the book.
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