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Re: Questions about Judaism

Postby OrangeEyebrows » Sat Feb 15, 2014 2:34 am

Although I recognise that you didn't intend offence, aviel, let's avoid dismissing the beliefs of others. As you're aware we have members of various religions and ranging from extremely devout to staunchly atheist. This needs to be an accepting environment for all of them. Thanks.
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Re: Questions about Judaism

Postby aviel » Sat Feb 15, 2014 2:40 am

I'm kind of confused here. We regularly debate about each other's beliefs, including religious ones. What changed?
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Re: Questions about Judaism

Postby OrangeEyebrows » Sat Feb 15, 2014 2:46 am

It's a matter of tone - specifically the use of the word "silly". It's completely fine to say you don't believe in God and find it difficult to understand why anyone does (I'm in the same boat), or even to argue that belief in a deity is harmful - however, it needs to be done respectfully, not dismissively.

This isn't a "punishment" or even a wrist-slap, just a reminder to be aware of others' feelings.
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Re: Questions about Judaism

Postby aviel » Sat Feb 15, 2014 2:46 am

I've used that term many times before here in reference to arguments others have made. Has there been a rule change? Is there some difference in context here I'm not understanding?
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Re: Questions about Judaism

Postby OrangeEyebrows » Sat Feb 15, 2014 3:08 am

No, nothing has changed. The fact is that sometimes we allow things to slide because there's a certain element of edgy humour that's part of the forum culture. Perhaps that isn't as it should be and we should be a hundred percent strict, and I know some of our rules are a little too nebulous for your preference - "you know it when you see it" kind of stuff. I realise that sometimes leaves you feeling uncertain where the line is, which is why I tried to stress that this wasn't an "argh, grrr" sort of thing, more a "hey yeah, let's avoid that in this particular instance thing".
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Re: Questions about Judaism

Postby aviel » Sat Feb 15, 2014 3:14 am

Yeah, I'm not a huge fan of "you know it when you see it" metrics of evaluating transgressions, but so long as the evaluations result in requests to stop rather than punitive action, it's not much of a problem.
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Re: Questions about Judaism

Postby DamianaRaven » Sat Feb 15, 2014 3:46 am

The British Library wrote:The word silly has over many centuries taken a fascinating journey through a range of evolving meanings. Silly did not originally refer to the absurd or ridiculous – in fact quite the opposite. The word derives from the old English word seely, meaning happy, blissful, lucky or blessed. From there it came to mean innocent, or deserving of compassion, only later mutating this sense of naive childishness into a more critical, mocking term, signifying ignorance, feeble-mindedness, and foolish behaviour - the meaning we know today.
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Re: Questions about Judaism

Postby OrangeEyebrows » Sat Feb 15, 2014 3:51 am

That's interesting but not really relevant to the matter at hand, and I'd prefer to get this thread back on track so it's about questions about Judaism.

Feel free to start a new thread about the changing meanings of words, though.
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Re: Questions about Judaism

Postby blehblah » Sun Feb 16, 2014 9:28 pm

Well, that went a bit sideways rather quickly.

I've my own thoughts on what constitutes a silly person versus a person with a silly tradition(s), silly belief(s), or plain-old silliness, but that discussion does belong somewhere else. I will simply point-out that we do tend to be less than entirely rigorous with the comments on here. This is not a sanctioned forum of international debatering, however masterful of the debatering some folks may be. In that, some reasonable leeway, in every available direction, would seem to be the best way to continue. Else, I suppose it should have been called The Debatering Section.

I'll leave it with a pithy and funny commentary on the English upper class, after which we can return to the regularly scheduled "Questions about Judaism".

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Re: Questions about Judaism

Postby aviel » Mon Feb 17, 2014 12:21 am


(skip to 0:30 because this damn forum can't handle time codes)

DELAYED EDIT: But now it can! The YouTube tag has been updated so it now supports timecodes and multiple URL formats!
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Re: Questions about Judaism

Postby DamianaRaven » Thu Dec 28, 2017 9:45 am

We don't have a thread for Muslim questions (that I can recall) so I thought I'd drag this one out to post an informative bit about the difference between kosher and halal.
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