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Re: Goodbye, net neutrality

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Re: Goodbye, net neutrality

Postby KleinerKiller » Sun Nov 26, 2017 11:56 pm

My nights are now spent feverishly searching "net neutrality" repeatedly to see if there are any new reports about mounting support or legislators openly standing against Ajit "My Spare Time Is Spent Ritually Bludgeoning Babies And Puppies On A Giant Verizon Logo" Pai. It is very difficult to concentrate on anything else. Despite the myriad evidence of corruption and numerous leaders of the free world speaking out, only one Republican in Congress -- the people who need to be turned -- has spoken against the repeal so far.

Keep those protests and calls and petitions and even tweets coming, peeps. Do not let this slip from your minds for even a minute.
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Re: Goodbye, net neutrality

Postby mancityfooty » Mon Nov 27, 2017 1:50 am

it's gonna go to shit and only a successful lawsuit (ha! good luck on that) or an act of congress (ha! good luck on that) will change it at this point. this is going through.
I'm looking at all my dvds (legally gotten, thank you...oh, no, mostly torrented :) and how time spent with someone is worth so much more than everything so...we'll see what happens.
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Re: Goodbye, net neutrality

Postby KleinerKiller » Mon Nov 27, 2017 2:22 am

mancityfooty wrote:it's gonna go to shit and only a successful lawsuit (ha! good luck on that) or an act of congress (ha! good luck on that) will change it at this point. this is going through.


As I told someone on another site expressing the same sentiment: pessimists are the enemy.

mancityfooty wrote:I'm looking at all my dvds (legally gotten, thank you...oh, no, mostly torrented :) and how time spent with someone is worth so much more than everything so...we'll see what happens.


Excuuuuuuuse me for caring about something that's basically the infrastructure of the 21st century, which much of modern society and numerous businesses large and small are based on, which is necessary in this day and age for free communication and expression, and which has been and should have continued to be critical to my career plan as a self-starting author.

Sorry I literally can't afford to be as flippant as you about this.
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Re: Goodbye, net neutrality

Postby mancityfooty » Mon Nov 27, 2017 2:30 am

no, this is how I've gotten 3 out of my 4 last jobs. I want the populace to be informed and I want even the horrible websites to load as fast as the good ones. something, something, you'll know them by the twisted things they believe in.
but I grew up in a time before any of this was a necessity, and a time before anything net related was not of any importance.
so take that as you will. I just want to get out and walk a little.
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Re: Goodbye, net neutrality

Postby iMURDAu » Mon Nov 27, 2017 12:59 pm

Sounds like we need some neutrality? Between youse two.... on the net.
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Re: Goodbye, net neutrality

Postby KleinerKiller » Tue Nov 28, 2017 9:54 pm

Oh, look, Ajit "Sexually Abused Orphans Make the Best Biofuel For Verizon's Efficient New Coverage System" Pai is taking a page from one of his masters and essentially pushing away all of the backlash as fake news. The malicious little bloodsucking scatbasket has linked this to an effort engineered by tech giants to maintain dominance at the consumers' expense.

I can't wait for him to try to use that argument in court.
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Re: Goodbye, net neutrality

Postby Learned Nand » Tue Nov 28, 2017 10:00 pm

KleinerKiller wrote:I can't wait for him to try to use that argument in court.


I am skeptical that the courts will help here. They've previously ruled on the issue before, and have found a) that the FCC does not need to classify ISPs as common carriers, but can classify them as information services, National Cable & Telecommunications Association v. Brand X Internet Services, 545 U.S. 967 (2005); and b) that the FCC's net neutrality rules can only be applied to common carriers Verizon v. Federal Communications Commission, 740 F.3d 623 (2014). In other words, without congressional intervention, it's up to the FCC as to whether or not it wants to subject ISPs to net neutrality rules.
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Re: Goodbye, net neutrality

Postby DamianaRaven » Tue Nov 28, 2017 10:14 pm

This is a very disturbing preview of our future, based NOT on people's opinions and predictions, but what has actually happened in the past before net neutrality... shit that's pretty much EXACTLY the reason that net neutrality had to become a thing.
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Re: Goodbye, net neutrality

Postby iMURDAu » Tue Nov 28, 2017 10:34 pm

This will be another one of those times where the average person is oblivious and/or ignorant to this issue and we'll start to hear a bunch of complaining about the price of internet and how your kid used to play games online but now they want $15 extra a month for that privilege and why is Netflix gone all of a sudden?

Most people won't care though. They'll just keep on loving Trump and hating the smartypants fuckers who paid their bills online instead of wasting 4 hours driving around to every place that takes physical payments.
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Re: Goodbye, net neutrality

Postby DamianaRaven » Tue Nov 28, 2017 10:48 pm

iMURDAu wrote:Most people won't care though.


I disagree. It's easy enough to love Trump when all his bullshit is affecting OTHER people, but when it comes into their own house and takes away their precious porn... *laughs meanly*

People are going to lazily and ignorantly let this happen, but then when the actual effects of it become apparent, there will be an ENORMOUS outcry and backlash. People (even - nay ESPECIALLY - the kind of morons who worship Trump) aren't going to want to suddenly start paying for multiple things they've been getting free. Poor people can't afford it and rich people wouldn't be rich if they just gave their money to any and every shyster who wanted it.
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Re: Goodbye, net neutrality

Postby KleinerKiller » Tue Nov 28, 2017 11:03 pm

I can't accept any degree of defeatism. We live in an age of chaos where precedent has become meaningless and educated predictions carry as little ultimate weight as a blind man's interpretation of a silent film. Resigning to the "inevitable" is tantamount to standing before the tanks rolling down the street and happily waving the white flag.
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Re: Goodbye, net neutrality

Postby iMURDAu » Wed Nov 29, 2017 1:10 am

So let's say this timeline is the one where the fears imagined by the topic title come true.

How to resolve?

Do we need to elect a new leader? Maybe incept the idea of not being a total partylineriding douchebag into ol' Ajit? Expect a Republican controlled Congress to enact *gasp* regulations? Burn the whole thing down and party like it's 1999?
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Re: Goodbye, net neutrality

Postby mancityfooty » Wed Nov 29, 2017 1:12 am

hope that anyone affected by it turns out in '18 and '20 to actually vote?
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Re: Goodbye, net neutrality

Postby KleinerKiller » Wed Nov 29, 2017 2:15 am

iMURDAu wrote:So let's say this timeline is the one where the fears imagined by the topic title come true.

How to resolve?

Do we need to elect a new leader? Maybe incept the idea of not being a total partylineriding douchebag into ol' Ajit? Expect a Republican controlled Congress to enact *gasp* regulations? Burn the whole thing down and party like it's 1999?


mancityfooty wrote:hope that anyone affected by it turns out in '18 and '20 to actually vote?


With ISPs in control of the internet, I expect even less voter turnout in the future, because it'll be much harder / nigh-impossible to start a widespread movement that has any chance of changing things when they can simply slow your sites and accounts down to be virtually unusable. No, if it passes, net neutrality can never come back. Ever. By its very nature it's the last trigger pull. That's why now is such a pivotal time to stop things from getting permanently fucked up, and that's why I cannot abide by anyone being pessimistic at this stage.

The best thing to do is keep spreading the word to people who aren't aware and getting as many calls / faxes / emails / tweets / etc to your representatives as possible. Congress may be full of corrupt cowards and opportunistic slugs, but making them know how much of the voting population they need to be re-elected doesn't want this to happen makes it way more likely for them to at least stymy the process. You can be among those trying to turn one of the Republicans on the FCC board aside from Ajit "Heil Fuhrer" Pai to the side of net neutrality, though I haven't read up too much on that segment of the resistance so I can't say what the arguments and methods are.

I've also seen numerous people talking about calling and mailing their ISPs en masse if they have one of the Big Four (Verizon, Time Warner Cable, AT&T or fucking Comcast) and vowing to cancel their service if they keep pushing and the repeal passes; that's waaaaaaaaaay less likely to have any measurable impact, but it's at least an additional thing.

And then we just... hope.
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