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Re: President Trump makes himself an even BIGGER asshole

Postby Deathclaw_Puncher » Sat Feb 10, 2018 6:02 pm

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Re: President Trump makes himself an even BIGGER asshole

Postby Ladki96 » Sat Feb 10, 2018 6:06 pm

taken on its own what is wrong with what he's saying?
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Re: President Trump makes himself an even BIGGER asshole

Postby Krashlia » Sat Feb 10, 2018 6:11 pm

Ladki96 wrote:taken on its own what is wrong with what he's saying?


Nothing... But then you remember the false allegations he made, and the real reports he ignored. Then you think, "Who is he to talk to me about false allegations?"
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Re: President Trump makes himself an even BIGGER asshole

Postby Ladki96 » Sat Feb 10, 2018 6:39 pm

yes. is why I prefaced it with those four words :P he isn't even referring to any particular person or event here, he seems to be talking generally. I agree with this specific tweet. I don't see how he is, what do you say? making an a**hole out himself, in this instance (what a super thread title... and to still keep it after all that debate *claps*)
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Re: President Trump makes himself an even BIGGER asshole

Postby Fun With Mr. Fudge » Sat Feb 10, 2018 6:48 pm

Ladki96 wrote:taken on its own what is wrong with what he's saying?


Why ignore the context of someone's statement? All words are acceptable when taken on their own.
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Re: President Trump makes himself an even BIGGER asshole

Postby Aquila89 » Sat Feb 10, 2018 7:27 pm

Ladki96 wrote:yes. is why I prefaced it with those four words :P he isn't even referring to any particular person or event here, he seems to be talking generally.


I think he wrote this because of Rob Porter.
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Re: President Trump makes himself an even BIGGER asshole

Postby Ladki96 » Sat Feb 10, 2018 9:26 pm

@Mr Fudge: not really, I think. "It should be ok to jail/murder someone for something about them that isn't hurting anyone and legally they haven't done anything wrong" - I have a hard time thinking how that would be acceptable to say, context or no context. I mean, legally allowed to express? sure! ^^ But I don't think anyone in all probability will be able to say such a thing and not face backlash from /someone/, especially if they are famous

anyway, as to your first question - perhaps I could have been clearer, sorry. Is Mr Trump being hypocritical here? I will not deny it ^^ But in all honesty here's what my weird mind thought when I read Deathclaw's post - when there are actual issues he could be criticised for, this is really nothing. just like so many other nothings he is criticised for, like that stupid ice-cream thing some months back. So I dunno, I guess I'm ignoring context after all when I feel that this is hardly the most problematic thing to say. I'm just not seeing what he said here that was wrong :P

@Aquila not sure who that is, but he hasn't been specifically mentioned in this tweet so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Re: President Trump makes himself an even BIGGER asshole

Postby Fun With Mr. Fudge » Sat Feb 10, 2018 10:30 pm

Ladki96 wrote:@Mr Fudge: not really, I think. "It should be ok to jail/murder someone for something about them that isn't hurting anyone and legally they haven't done anything wrong" - I have a hard time thinking how that would be acceptable to say, context or no context. I mean, legally allowed to express? sure! ^^ But I don't think anyone in all probability will be able to say such a thing and not face backlash from /someone/, especially if they are famous


Wasn't it acceptable for you to type those words about jailing and murdering innocent people? Sure, you didn't use the words to express a personal opinion, but you still technically said them in some form. Some people might endorse murder sarcastically or jokingly or quote someone else who used those words. I think those examples would also constitute acceptable times to say it's okay to jail or murder innocent people. That's why context matters. When you remove context, there's no specific basis for judging whether words are being used sincerely or "used" at all. In that sense, I don't think it would make sense to consider them unacceptable.

Is Mr Trump being hypocritical here? I will not deny it


I think that alone would make Deathclaw's post relevant to this thread. But I agree with Aquila that the timing seems related to Rob Porter. That brings me to this:

@Aquila not sure who that is, but he hasn't been specifically mentioned in this tweet so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯


Rob Porter was a White House staffer who stepped down because allegations of domestic abuse came to light. Two ex-wives and an ex girlfriend accused Porter of physical and emotional abuse (one ex-wife provided a photo of a black eye). Members of the White House knew about those allegations for months, and the FBI cited those claims as legitimate reasons to delay granting Porter security clearance. Nonetheless, he ended up handling classified information after receiving interim clearance.

Donald Trump's response to those allegations and the resignation was to praise Porter and express sadness at his departure. He also focused on the negative impact this scandal had on Porter, emphasizing that the accused staffer maintained his innocence. Perhaps he is innocent, but Trump doesn't know that either, so why emphasize that aspect of the situation when it's quite possible (and I think likely) that Porter's accusers were telling the truth?

In this context, and given Trump's history of defending people accused of horrible things (except the Central Park Five, of course, who Trump refused to support even when they were found innocent), his statement about accusations and due process does seem problematic; never mind the fact that the vetting process which prevented Porter from getting security clearance was arguably due process.
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Re: President Trump makes himself an even BIGGER asshole

Postby Aquila89 » Sat Feb 10, 2018 11:04 pm

Fun With Mr. Fudge wrote:Rob Porter was a White House staffer who stepped down because allegations of domestic abuse came to light. Two ex-wives and an ex girlfriend accused Porter of physical and emotional abuse (one ex-wife provided a photo of a black eye). Members of the White House knew about those allegations for months, and the FBI cited those claims as legitimate reasons to delay granting Porter security clearance. Nonetheless, he ended up handling classified information after receiving interim clearance.


And I already wrote about him today in this very thread... oh, well.

In every case when someone Trump likes is accused of violence against women or sexual misconduct, he sides with them. He did it with Roger Ailes, Bill O'Reilly, Corey Lewandowski, Roy Moore, now Porter and even Mike Tyson; back in the '90s he was sentenced to prison for rape. Trump defended him, because this was a financial loss for him, as he hosted several of Tyson's fights in his casinos. He defended Bill Clinton too, back in the '90s, then once he was running against Clinton's wife, Clinton became "worst abuser of women in the history of politics in this nation".
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Re: President Trump makes himself an even BIGGER asshole

Postby Fun With Mr. Fudge » Sat Feb 10, 2018 11:20 pm

Aquila89 wrote:
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Rob Porter was a White House staffer who stepped down because allegations of domestic abuse came to light. Two ex-wives and an ex girlfriend accused Porter of physical and emotional abuse (one ex-wife provided a photo of a black eye). Members of the White House knew about those allegations for months, and the FBI cited those claims as legitimate reasons to delay granting Porter security clearance. Nonetheless, he ended up handling classified information after receiving interim clearance.


And I already wrote about him today in this very thread... oh, well.


Yes, and Ladki said she didn't know who he was. So I explained in my own words, added details which I thought were relevant, and tied my description to broader points about how one might interpret the context of Trump's Tweet. My intention wasn't to break the story you broke but to respond to someone about a point related to that information.
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Re: President Trump makes himself an even BIGGER asshole

Postby Aquila89 » Wed Feb 14, 2018 3:25 pm

An update on the Stormy Daniels non-scandal: Michael Cohen, Trump's lawyer admitted that he paid $130,000 to Daniels but he claims that he did so from his own pocket and "neither the Trump Organization nor the Trump campaign" reimbursed him. (What about Trump himself?)

Trump, of course, denies that he ever had an affair with Daniels. Cohen said: "Just because something isn't true doesn't mean that it can't cause you harm or damage," Cohen said in a statement issued Tuesday night. "I will always protect Mr. Trump."

Give me a break - even a true claim of a consensual affair with a porn star would not have caused any harm or damage to Trump. We see that now. I still don't get why they felt the need to make this payment.
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Re: President Trump makes himself an even BIGGER asshole

Postby Krashlia » Wed Feb 14, 2018 4:06 pm

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Re: President Trump makes himself an even BIGGER asshole

Postby DanteHoratio » Wed Feb 14, 2018 7:43 pm

Sometimes, Trump seems like a alien trying to imitate human behavior

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Re: President Trump makes himself an even BIGGER asshole

Postby Aquila89 » Wed Feb 14, 2018 8:50 pm

Stormy Daniels's manager, Gina Rodriguez now said that by publicly disclosing the payment, Cohen violated the terms of the non-disclosure agreement with Daniels.

"Everything is off now, and Stormy is going to tell her story,” Rodriguez said."

Still doesn't really matter politically. Daniels might make some more money out of this, good for her.
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Re: President Trump makes himself an even BIGGER asshole

Postby blehblah » Wed Feb 14, 2018 9:05 pm

Aquila89 wrote:An update on the Stormy Daniels non-scandal: Michael Cohen, Trump's lawyer admitted that he paid $130,000 to Daniels but he claims that he did so from his own pocket and "neither the Trump Organization nor the Trump campaign" reimbursed him. (What about Trump himself?)

Trump, of course, denies that he ever had an affair with Daniels. Cohen said: "Just because something isn't true doesn't mean that it can't cause you harm or damage," Cohen said in a statement issued Tuesday night. "I will always protect Mr. Trump."

Give me a break - even a true claim of a consensual affair with a porn star would not have caused any harm or damage to Trump. We see that now. I still don't get why they felt the need to make this payment.


It is laughable, but Cohen didn't release the statement out of the blue.

The problem is that by paying Daniels, it may have broken campaign contribution laws.

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/20 ... legal.html

In the full statement, Cohen says he’s responding to a complaint filed with the Federal Election Commission that “alleges that I somehow violated campaign finance laws.” While he insists that the allegations are “factually unsupported and without legal merit,” nothing in Cohen’s statement disproves them — unless one actually believes that he gave Clifford a massive sum of money for reasons that have nothing to do with his boss.


It's great when a lawyer injects a "somehow" into a statement like that. It's not the "how", Cohen, that's been made clear by you, since you, like a complete moron, used your name as an authorized person in the shell company used to make the payment. The only 'alleged' going-on is the question of if you did it to help Trump's campaign.

New reality show idea: "Better Not Call Cohen".
Pilot: Hire Only The Best Smartest People
Episode one: Let Everyone Know Your Client Banged a Porn Star

The article goes-on to explain how this works:

In complaints to the FEC and Justice Department filed last month, Common Cause, a nonpartisan government watchdog group, said there’s reason to believe the payment to Clifford was an “unreported in-kind contribution” to the Trump campaign, as well as an “unreported expenditure by the [campaign] — because the funds were paid for the purpose of influencing the 2016 presidential election.”

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As Thomas Frampton recently explained in a post on the Harvard Law Review blog, the Edwards case turned on whether secret payments count as a campaign “contribution” under the Federal Election Campaign Act of 1971 (FECA). He wrote:

FECA’s definition of “contribution” in 52 U.S.C. § 30101(8)(A) includes “any gift, subscription, loan, advance, or deposit of money or anything of value made by any person for the purpose of influencing any election for Federal office.” Importantly, there is no requirement that a “contribution” be labeled as such or that the money actually pass through a campaign’s coffers: a third-party’s payment of a candidate’s campaign or personal expense qualifies as a “contribution,” except where “the payment would have been made irrespective of the candidacy.”


Italics mine for clarity.

Going further, it seems pretty clear that that last bit - the whole 'would the money have changed hands had it not been for the campaign' - is hard to get around.

Finding a campaign-related motive wouldn’t be a problem for prosecutors looking into the Stormy Daniels affair. Rumors about Trump’s affair with Clifford had circulated for years, and she discussed them at length with InTouch in 2011. Documents obtained by the Journal show that on October 17, 2016, Cohen established a shell company and used pseudonyms to transfer the $130,000 to Clifford (though he blew his own cover by listing his real name as an “authorized person” for the company). Clifford was reportedly in talks with both Good Morning America and Slate at the time. “And then, about a week before the election, Daniels stopped responding to calls and text messages,” said Slate’s Jacob Weisberg. If the payment was about keeping the affair from Melania, why did it happen just before the election, rather than in 2011, when Clifford was dishing about spanking and Shark Week–inspired phobias?


Buuuut, the article concludes by letting the reader know this too, shall pass.

The larger question is why Cohen felt the need release the bizarre statement in the first place. There may be a stronger case against Trump than there was against Edwards, but experts doubt federal investigators will pursue it. Even Common Cause vice-president for policy and litigation Paul Ryan (no relation to the House Speaker) acknowledges that’s unlikely in this political environment.

“The FEC has been for years mired in dysfunction and now has a Republican majority of commissioners,” he told USA Today, “and the DOJ is within the Executive branch of government headed by the president.”

In this administration, potentially violating campaign finance laws by paying off a porn star isn’t even the biggest scandal of the week.


This whole legal-stuff, campaign-whatchamacallits (laws? is it laws? Bob Loblaw law blog laws? the guy who played Bob Loblaw probablaw sees no law broke at all) rigmarole was identified pretty-much as soon as the news of the payment broke. Cohen has released the statement now because Common Cause is raising a stink.

Nobody will believe this farcical statement from Cohen, but then, it probably doesn't matter. I don't think Trump, a known serial cheater, and generally gross, aging, fake evangelical, man-whore is going to lose support over extramarital banging of a porn star.
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