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Re: Roy Moore's revolving door

Postby Doodle Dee. Snickers » Wed Dec 13, 2017 10:24 pm

Windy wrote:Did the democrats dramatically defy expectations again


Well, this is kinda what was meant by "Defying Expectations."

Leaving aside discussion about the long-term value of running candidates in every election to at least get a message out there in each state to slowly permeate (I'm of the Howard Dean school of thought on that), the point is more about the national environment. Like...nobody should've ever expected a Democrat to win in Kansas or Montana, deep red states that haven't voted blue since...Carter, I believe (40 years ago, for our non-US peeps). Which was why I found it pretty annoying when Trump was like "SEE?! DEMOCRATS ONLY CAME WITHIN STRIKING DISTANCE IN KANSAS! I'M BASICALLY THE RETURN OF REAGAN HIMSELF, HOP ONBOARD MY AGENDA, DEMS!"

But Virginia was a good measure of what happens when you have Democrats beating out expectations in red states, where you have a slightly blue-leaning state suddenly voting like it's Massachusetts in 2008 (I believe they won state seats they haven't won for over a century). If that environment hadn't been there when this Alabama election came around, Roy Moore would've won. Had Roy Moore been a better candidate from the jump, he would've won. Had the allegations not happened, he would've won. But because all three happened, it allowed Democrats to win a state they haven't won since 1992.

So that's why it may seem a little silly for people to be excited that Democrats only lost Montana by 8, but once Democrats are posting those kinds of stats in every ruby red state, that tends to be very bad for states that are only +10 red or so.

As for the Senate race, I'm actually realizing that there may be an X-Factor here I hadn't considered before: Bannon, who's promised to run a primary challenger against every red seat in the Senate. There's a chance he might pull a Roy Moore in several red states, where he funds and helps force through a garbage or too-fringe primary candidate that loses a general election that might have been won by another more moderate candidate.

I guess what I'm saying is that if Mitch McConnell wants to hold onto the majority so they can continue to get nothing done, he better start working to defeat Kelli Ward in Arizona.
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Re: Roy Moore's revolving door

Postby Marcuse » Wed Dec 13, 2017 10:27 pm

As for the Senate race, I'm actually realizing that there may be an X-Factor here I hadn't considered before: Bannon. There's a chance he might pull a Roy Moore in several red states, where he funds and helps force through a garbage or too-fringe primary candidate that loses a general election that might have been won by another more moderate candidate.


From what I understand, Bannon was backing Moore in the first place and it's blown up in his face. Republicans are blaming him for the loss and the narrowing of their majority to one. I'm not sure how much of an X-factor the guy really has when more or less everything he's tried in politics has failed.
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Re: Roy Moore's revolving door

Postby Doodle Dee. Snickers » Wed Dec 13, 2017 10:31 pm

Marcuse wrote:
As for the Senate race, I'm actually realizing that there may be an X-Factor here I hadn't considered before: Bannon. There's a chance he might pull a Roy Moore in several red states, where he funds and helps force through a garbage or too-fringe primary candidate that loses a general election that might have been won by another more moderate candidate.


From what I understand, Bannon was backing Moore in the first place and it's blown up in his face. Republicans are blaming him for the loss and the narrowing of their majority to one. I'm not sure how much of an X-factor the guy really has when more or less everything he's tried in politics has failed.


Oh, I'm talking about an X-Factor in throwing the Senate to the Democrats.

Bannon-esque candidates are very fringe, and because Congressional Primaries see such low turnout, fringe candidates make it to the general Congressional Election with much more ease. Senate Leaders in particular will fund more moderates to stop fringe candidates from torpedoing otherwise winnable seats (exactly what happened in Alabama). In this case, Steve Bannon has practically promised to run a candidate of his choosing against every Republican in the Senate, and there's a good chance he means it. Considering the tight numbers game in the senate, all the Republicans need to lose is a few bum general election candidates.
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Re: Roy Moore's revolving door

Postby Deathclaw_Puncher » Thu Dec 14, 2017 1:30 am

It seems Bannon is falling victim to his own propaganda bubble. He's going to try and primary Kelli Ward with a goddamn revenge porn site operating anarcho-capitalist.
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Re: Roy Moore's revolving door

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Re: Roy Moore's revolving door

Postby Aquila89 » Thu Dec 14, 2017 9:37 am

You linked an article that's about something completely different. I suppose you meant to link this one. But "going to Hell in a handbasket" is just an expression the Week used to describe Moore's doom-and-gloom speech, he didn't actually say that.
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Re: Roy Moore's revolving door

Postby Aquila89 » Sat Dec 16, 2017 9:41 am

Roy Moore still refuses to concede, even though Trump himself said that he should. Instead, he wants to raise money to investigate possible voter fraud.
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Re: Roy Moore's revolving door

Postby Krashlia » Sat Dec 16, 2017 8:23 pm

Aquila89 wrote:Roy Moore still refuses to concede, even though Trump himself said that he should. Instead, he wants to raise money to investigate possible voter fraud.


(The "My Turn" intensifies)
I suggest he get to writting about What Happened.
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Re: Roy Moore's revolving door

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Re: Roy Moore's revolving door

Postby iMURDAu » Thu Dec 21, 2017 11:21 pm

tinyrick wrote:
Windy wrote:Did the democrats dramatically defy expectations again


They won...in Alabama.


I'd argue the Republicans lost in Alabama. This wasn't a Democrat getting a large margin of victory in a contest that nobody thought a Democrat could win. Once Roy Moore won the primary and the floodgates of claims against him rushed through the news cycle it was pretty clear he'd have a tough election ahead of him.
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Re: Roy Moore's revolving door

Postby Aquila89 » Thu Dec 21, 2017 11:41 pm



The interesting thing about that is that Moore didn't even say anything bad about Jones's son, he merely linked an article in The Advocate (an LGBT magazine) about him. Apparently he considers the mere statement "Doug Jones has a son who is gay" a fair and effective political attack.

(Even if Jones's son did something bad, I wouldn't bring it up in Moore's place, considering that his son was arrested nine times for charges like drug possession, illegal hunting and criminal trespassing. Moore called the ninth arrest "a cheap political trick.") Apparently, the gay-transgender-Marxist-Muslim-Soros axis controls the sheriff's office in Etowah County, Alabama.)
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Re: Roy Moore's revolving door

Postby Crimson847 » Fri Dec 22, 2017 12:03 am

Roy Moore: the man whom Christianity's most stalwart "advocates" want you to think is a shining example of Christian values.

Honestly, on behalf of the Christians I've known I don't think I can be any more insulted by that.
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Re: Roy Moore's revolving door

Postby IamNotCreepy » Fri Dec 22, 2017 2:57 pm

Crimson847 wrote:Roy Moore: the man whom Christianity's most stalwart "advocates" want you to think is a shining example of Christian values.

Honestly, on behalf of the Christians I've known I don't think I can be any more insulted by that.


I am extremely insulted by it, and it infuriates me that he tries to use Christianity as a justification of his terrible behavior.
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Re: Roy Moore's revolving door

Postby Deathclaw_Puncher » Thu Dec 28, 2017 8:57 am

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Re: Roy Moore's revolving door

Postby Aquila89 » Thu Dec 28, 2017 9:25 am

As I've read on the Internet: it's not surprising that Roy Moore doesn't understand that "no" means "no".
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