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Postby Learned Nand » Sat Jun 15, 2013 5:20 pm

Huh, I was actually wrong about grizzly sizes: they're only about a meter high at the shoulder.
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Re: Science: Mammoth Blood for the Blood God!

Postby Typical Michael » Sat Jun 15, 2013 5:21 pm

And here is a cool chart for wolves. I am not sure if this is gonna break the place. But I love comparison charts.

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Re: Science: Mammoth Blood for the Blood God!

Postby Blackfish » Sun Jun 16, 2013 6:17 am

Ericthebearjew wrote:I say clone them. What could possibly go wrong? It's not like they're carnivores.

Right? I rewatched Jurassic Park recently, and what struck me is that the lesson is not "don't play god", it's the much more specific "don't clone a bunch of vicious carnivores then automate your park and hire only one tech guy".

I say clone 'em. We might have to evict all those people crowding Siberia, but it'll be worth it.
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Re: Science: Mammoth Blood for the Blood God!

Postby Learned Nand » Sun Jun 16, 2013 6:42 am

Blackfish wrote:Right? I rewatched Jurassic Park recently, and what struck me is that the lesson is not "don't play god", it's the much more specific "don't clone a bunch of vicious carnivores then automate your park and hire only one tech guy".

Exactly! When I was watching Jurassic Park, what with Ian Malcolm saying that nature will find a way and Dr. Sattler explaining how they insufficiently respected the power of Jurassic Park, I thought "the characters are analyzing the situation like it's a fable trying to teach us a lesson, not like it's a situation in which a bunch of man-eating creatures have escaped." The problem isn't some philosophical point about how nature is too powerful to control, it's a practical point about having redundant security measures that can't be overridden by disgruntled programmers.
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Re: Science: Mammoth Blood for the Blood God!

Postby Deathclaw_Puncher » Tue Jun 18, 2013 5:28 am

Blackfish wrote:
Ericthebearjew wrote:I say clone them. What could possibly go wrong? It's not like they're carnivores.

Right? I rewatched Jurassic Park recently, and what struck me is that the lesson is not "don't play god", it's the much more specific "don't clone a bunch of vicious carnivores then automate your park and hire only one tech guy".

I say clone 'em. We might have to evict all those people crowding Siberia, but it'll be worth it.

Meh. There's always South Georgia Island.
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Re: Science: Mammoth Blood for the Blood God!

Postby CarrieVS » Tue Jul 23, 2013 5:52 pm

Marcuse wrote:it's debatable whether it would be possible to utilise an elephant as a surrogate due to the increased size of the mammoth compared with even the largest elephant.


I swear I read that mammoths are smaller than modern elephants.

*checks wikipedia*

Wooly mammoth article currently says "roughly the same size as modern African elephants." Gives largest height (for males) as 3.4m, and weight "up to 6 tonnes". African plains elephant bulls apparently stand 3.2-4.0m and can weigh up to just over 6 tonnes.
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Re: Science: Mammoth Blood for the Blood God!

Postby 52xMax » Wed Jul 24, 2013 8:29 pm

CarrieVS wrote:I swear I read that mammoths are smaller than modern elephants.


Perhaps you were thinking of mastodons?

For those who don't know, the different species of elephants, mastodons and mammoths are evolutionary cousins and none of them are ancestors of each other. Much like humans and other modern apes. Or like humans and Neanderthals, those cousins we don't like to talk about, mainly because we probably drove them to extinction by a combo of hogging all the resources to ourselves, and also cannibalism, genocide, and interbreeding... hopefully not all at the same time or in that order.

As far as adaptation goes, the mammoths were incredibly good at it, particularly the woolly mammoth (mammuthus primigenius) who spread through out all the continents (except for Australia and Antarctica) and could endure very low temperatures. Probably the only reason it went extinct was, again, human interference, or maybe climate change; which, for a change, was not caused by humans.

I think we should try to clone them, at least to see what happens. On that note, it would also be interesting if we could find Neanderthal DNA to do a similar experiment.
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Re: Science: Mammoth Blood for the Blood God!

Postby D-LOGAN » Wed Jul 24, 2013 9:24 pm

Yeah I always thought it was very arbitrary how we've all chosen to remember mammoths but essentially forget all about the poor aul mastodons. I mean, what was it specifically about Mammoths that caught our fancy that Mastodon's just didn't quite make the cut for.
Oh and while I'm on the subject, what about Woolly Rhinos?

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Everyone knows about the fuzzy elephants that used to be running about the place, how come we forgot about the other guys? What's the matter society, Hair-covered Rhinoceros-es-es just not interesting enough?????
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Re: Science: Mammoth Blood for the Blood God!

Postby Marcuse » Wed Jul 24, 2013 9:29 pm

I never forgot about the mastodon!

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Re: Science: Mammoth Blood for the Blood God!

Postby CarrieVS » Wed Jul 24, 2013 9:41 pm

52xMax wrote:
CarrieVS wrote:I swear I read that mammoths are smaller than modern elephants.


Perhaps you were thinking of mastodons?


No, I was thinking of wooly mammoths. I went back and checked and included the figures in my post. Now it may be that the figures I found were wrong, but I was not thinking of the wrong animal.
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Re: Science: Mammoth Blood for the Blood God!

Postby D-LOGAN » Wed Jul 24, 2013 9:52 pm

Holy crap Marc,' I was all set to call you a 'Mastodon-Forgeter-Apologist,' for trying to say the Power rangers included a Mastodon in their ranks, but blow me down, it was a mastodon! I looked it up, I always thought it was a mammoth.
In the end, it turns out I was the real villain all along (I hate it when that happens).
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Re: Science: Mammoth Blood for the Blood God!

Postby Marcuse » Wed Jul 24, 2013 10:01 pm

Bah!

Mastodon, Pterodactyl, Triceratops, Sabre-toothed Tiger, Tyrannosaurus.

Power fucking rangers.

I will never forget.
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Re: Science: Mammoth Blood for the Blood God!

Postby D-LOGAN » Wed Jul 24, 2013 10:08 pm

AND ONLY TWO OF THOSE WERE ACTUALLY DINOSAURS! God damn Zordon lied to us!
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Re: Science: Mammoth Blood for the Blood God!

Postby Marcuse » Wed Jul 24, 2013 10:10 pm

Three.

Pterodactyl, Triceratops and Tyrannosaurus.

Where did you get your medical degree, that you didn't have to count to three?
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Re: Science: Mammoth Blood for the Blood God!

Postby CarrieVS » Wed Jul 24, 2013 10:13 pm

Pterosaurs aren't actually dinosaurs. Just reptiles that lived around the same time as them.
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