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The alt-right's obsession with pedophilia

Postby cmsellers » Sat Nov 11, 2017 6:40 am

A few weeks ago on Discord Max linked an article from an alt-right news site which claimed "Pizzagate" was real and almost every article was accusing some opponent of being a pedophile. That was the first time I noticed that the alt-right seemed kind of obsessed with branding its opponents pedophiles.

Then we had a member associated with the alt-right leave after we refused to concede that Hollywood had a gay pedophile problem. At the time, I took it as a reiteration of the old libel about gay men being sexual predators, but now I wonder if it's not actually the new libel about liberals being pedophiles.

And just a few days ago, DP shared this article on Discord. (One thing it demonstrates is that the alt-right's love of false flags has reached truly insane levels. They're not just posing as antifa members now, they're posing as antifa NAMBLA members.) The article discusses how a certain faction of the alt-right is obsessed with the idea that liberals are pedophiles. The explanation given is "it's revenge for calling us Nazis but it's also kind of true."

And I'm pretty sure that it's true only in the sense that child molesters are part of every group of any size; I see no evidence that it's a bigger problem with liberals in this regard. All the evidence is anecdotal (and if you want to play at that game: Dennis Hastert molested young boys, Roy Moore assaulted a fourteen-year-old girl, and Joe Arpaio refused to investigate sex crimes against minors while having at least two deputies who committed such crimes on his payroll), and I know of no data one way or the other. As such, a reasonable prior is that it's equally common across the political spectrum; if anything I would expect it to be more common in communities that encourage shame and silence around sex.

DP has said repeatedly that it's projection, and I think for a lot of them it probably is. The alt-right has its roots on 4chan, where the sharing of child porn apparently used to be a big thing, based on articles I've read on "Pizzagate." And a lot of alt-right types do seem to be kind of creepily into girls. And then others are clearly running a smear campaign. But I think some people on the alt-right are genuinely convinced that the left has a pedophile problem, and unfortunately we recently lost the one member of TCS best suited to shed light on why they think this.

Still, I thought I'd start a thread on this; at the very least the alt-right's obsession with smearing its opponents as pedophiles merits calling out.
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Re: The alt-right's obsession with pedophilia

Postby DamianaRaven » Sat Nov 11, 2017 6:50 am

I don't think it's exclusively an "alt-right" characteristic, but I am a firm believer in the tell-on-yourself psychology that is projection. Regardless of political affiliation, a person who is seemingly obsessed with a certain crime or sin is often discovered to be ass-deep in said behavior themselves. "See, if I'm constantly speaking out against pedophiles, then people would NEVER suspect that I've secretly hidden cameras to watch my ten-year-old niece in the bathroom. Herpdy-derpdy-dooooo!"
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Re: The alt-right's obsession with pedophilia

Postby Tesseracts » Sat Nov 11, 2017 7:05 am

The alt right does have an obsession with pedophilia. That article describes the problem rather well. I think it's because they link pedophilia to an idea of "degeneracy" which includes LGBT people.

I don't think the alt right is projecting. I'm sure some of them are, but I don't think there are more pedos in the alt right than there are among liberals. 4chan has never allowed child porn. One of the primary purposes of the chans is to share weird porn, so of course CP and lolicon have been a thing there, but I don't think any more so than other parts of the internet.
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Re: The alt-right's obsession with pedophilia

Postby Crimson847 » Sat Nov 11, 2017 7:11 am

cmsellers wrote:A few weeks ago on Discord Max linked an article from an alt-right news site which claimed "Pizzagate" was real and almost every article was accusing some opponent of being a pedophile. That was the first time I noticed that the alt-right seemed kind of obsessed with branding its opponents pedophiles.

Then we had a member associated with the alt-right leave after we refused to concede that Hollywood had a gay pedophile problem. At the time, I took it as a reiteration of the old libel about gay men being sexual predators, but now I wonder if it's not actually the new libel about liberals being pedophiles.

And just a few days ago, DP shared this article on Discord. (One thing it demonstrates is that the alt-right's love of false flags has reached truly insane levels. They're not just posing as antifa members now, they're posing as antifa NAMBLA members.) The article discusses how a certain faction of the alt-right is obsessed with the idea that liberals are pedophiles. The explanation given is "it's revenge for calling us Nazis but it's also kind of true."

And I'm pretty sure that it's true only in the sense that child molesters are part of every group of any size; I see no evidence that it's a bigger problem with liberals in this regard. All the evidence is anecdotal (and if you want to play at that game: Dennis Hastert molested young boys, Roy Moore assaulted a fourteen-year-old girl, and Joe Arpaio refused to investigate sex crimes against minors while having at least two deputies who committed such crimes on his payroll), and I know of no data one way or the other. As such, a reasonable prior is that it's equally common across the political spectrum; if anything I would expect it to be more common in communities that encourage shame and silence around sex.

DP has said repeatedly that it's projection, and I think for a lot of them it probably is. The alt-right has its roots on 4chan, where the sharing of child porn apparently used to be a big thing, based on articles I've read on "Pizzagate." And a lot of alt-right types do seem to be kind of creepily into girls. And then others are clearly running a smear campaign. But I think some people on the alt-right are genuinely convinced that the left has a pedophile problem, and unfortunately we recently lost the one member of TCS best suited to shed light on why they think this.

Still, I thought I'd start a thread on this; at the very least the alt-right's obsession with smearing its opponents as pedophiles merits calling out.


Regarding the bolded: I suspect getting dismissed as a self-deluded homophobe and having her sincerity and presumed motives attacked by an admin may have had something to do with it as well.

At any rate, I agree that it's silly to conclude that liberals have a unique problem with pedophilia based on a few high-profile examples like Roman Polanski and Anthony Weiner. A few lurid anecdotes tell us little about the general behavior of a large population.

With that in mind, my question is this: what is your evidence for a unique obsession among the alt-right with smearing their opponents as pedophiles? All you've presented here is a few anecdotes about alt-righters doing this.


Personally, I'd speculate that if this is a uniquely common problem among the alt-right it may just be a consequence of a general fondness for vulgarity and trolling. Few things break decorum harder and inspire more rage than calling someone a pedophile.
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Re: The alt-right's obsession with pedophilia

Postby Tesseracts » Sat Nov 11, 2017 7:33 am

Regarding the bolded: I suspect getting dismissed as a self-deluded homophobe and having her sincerity and presumed motives attacked by an admin may have had something to do with it as well.

Crimson, I had a feeling you didn't approve of my actions in the thread, which is why I suggested you bring up your grievances there. I promise things will be better if you are open and honest with your criticism instead of just throwing around little vague mini-criticisms which don't mention my name but are obviously about me here and there. You also have the option of PMing me or another mod/admin, or bringing up the issue in the ask a mod forum.

For what it's worth NoodleFox didn't bring up anything about her motives and sincerity. Instead she accused me multiple times of defending Kevin Stacey's attacks and called us all degenerate faggots. She claimed to leave because she didn't want to be in a place that defended pedophiles.

With that in mind, my question is this: what is your evidence for a unique obsession among the alt-right with smearing their opponents as pedophiles? All you've presented here is a few anecdotes about alt-righters doing this.

The article he linked provides a lot of evidence. The strongest evidence being the whole Pizzagate debacle.
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Re: The alt-right's obsession with pedophilia

Postby cmsellers » Sat Nov 11, 2017 7:44 am

Crimson, this is the site that Max found. Currently three of their ten top stories explicitly mention child rape; it was an outright majority when I first looked at it.

And please read the Newsweek article on the subject. I know of no other political movement that has created a fake sign supposedly sponsored by NAMBLA and tricked its opponents into holding it. I also know of no other movement that has created a conspiracy theory about child sex rings run by its political opponents. The alt-right seems not just quantitatively different, but qualitatively different in this regard.
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Re: The alt-right's obsession with pedophilia

Postby Crimson847 » Sat Nov 11, 2017 9:36 am

I'm going to put off a fuller response to Tess and CM until I have a clearer head, but I'd like to clarify one thing real quick:

Tesseracts wrote:Crimson, I had a feeling you didn't approve of my actions in the thread, which is why I suggested you bring up your grievances there. I promise things will be better if you are open and honest with your criticism instead of just throwing around little vague mini-criticisms which don't mention my name but are obviously about me here and there. You also have the option of PMing me or another mod/admin, or bringing up the issue in the ask a mod forum.


I have no objection to your actions in that thread, and none of what I said refers to you. To avoid any further confusion, I'm referring to statements by gisambards and Marcuse.
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Re: The alt-right's obsession with pedophilia

Postby A Combustible Lemon » Sat Nov 11, 2017 10:14 am

The chans have as much of a child porn problem as any place with anonymous image posting. People can only remove shit that they've noticed. If someone posts child porn here, Tess isn't "affiliated with paedophilia".

The idea that CP goes unmoderated on chans is popularized by morons like Dan Olson, who spent a few days posting CP on 8chan while the moderators were inactive to 'prove' that there's CP on 8chan. As anyone with the slightest amount of sense would have expected, channers call him a Paedophile because he was literally posting child porn. But people said they were projecting in that case too. His defense was that he was doing it investigatively, which misses the point entirely when chans do it to harass the mods or to 'get away with it'. Neither side of that is doing it to get off on porn involving children. And it's illegal to host in both cases.

The reality is that chans are just anonymous forums that have a distinct culture of irreverence and their own dialect of internet-speak. Because of this, people who aren't aware of chan-speak misunderstand them constantly with obvious things like "-fag = person" being treated like some sort of insidious homophobic plot to call people gay, as if the fact that they call themselves fags isn't proof enough that it's meaningless to them as an insult.
Similarly "degenerate" doesn't actually mean anything except "less of a person". It's appropriated from conservatives calling people like Hippies, people indicative of cultural or moral decline in their view, degenerate. This is again used internally as well. Channers call themselves degenerate, to project the image that they're an exceptional hive of scum and villainy.
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This idea that chans are that different from any other forum is amusing, and an image that the chans project intentionally to keep normies out. But when people start believing it, it becomes really problematic, and enters "notorious hacker 4chan" territory.

There is child porn on reddit. There are necrophilia subs on reddit. There are giant Bestiality subs on reddit. There are giant subs on reddit literally dedicated to race hate. Reddit pretty much isn't worse than 4chan, except for the people who've completely bought into the idea of 4chan as presented by channers.
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Re: The alt-right's obsession with pedophilia

Postby gisambards » Sat Nov 11, 2017 1:03 pm

Crimson847 wrote:Regarding the bolded: I suspect getting dismissed as a self-deluded homophobe and having her sincerity and presumed motives attacked by an admin may have had something to do with it as well.

It is deeply insulting that I have been unable to challenge any of Noodle's repeated disgusting accusations aimed towards LGBT people without you telling me off for "shaming her as a bigot" or "dismissing her as a self-deluded homophobe" - both of which are massive exaggerations. I was not unreasonable in either of those cases, and I am not going to stop challenging beliefs I think are genuinely prejudiced just for the sake of not wanting to hurt the other person's feelings. I think it's ridiculous to have concerns that someone like Noodle might feel unwelcome because people keep suggesting they're prejudiced when they go off about what useless freaks trans people are or start talking about the gay paedophile problem, but then to have no concerns about how welcome LGBT people might feel on a forum where people are made to feel bad for challenging those beliefs
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Re: The alt-right's obsession with pedophilia

Postby sunglasses » Sat Nov 11, 2017 1:20 pm

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Lets focus on the topic. Not that I really want to...
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Re: The alt-right's obsession with pedophilia

Postby DamianaRaven » Sat Nov 11, 2017 1:43 pm

How long can we discuss the subject before the title of the thread becomes decidedly ironic?
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Re: The alt-right's obsession with pedophilia

Postby cmsellers » Sat Nov 11, 2017 6:09 pm

Lemon, my knowledge of 4chan is entirely secondhand. However the fact is that child porn is enough of an issue there that they call it "CP." By contrast, I've never run across child porn on Google Images or various porn sites I've browsed, and at least one of them has some really disturbing stuff. Child porn is not something you accidentally come across on most parts of the internet, but from what I've heard it is on 4chan.

However the reason I brought 4chan up is because DP was adamant that the alt-right is projecting. And while I think that's true for some of them, and it might even be true for a disproportionate number (dunno how we'd determine that) I suspect actual pedophiles are a minority of the segment of the alt-right who call opponents pedophiles, just as self-hating gays are a minority of homophobes, and sexual predators are a minority of male feminists. (Note that I'm not saying being gay or a male feminist is wrong, just that those seem to be somewhat analogous situations.)
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Re: The alt-right's obsession with pedophilia

Postby Krashlia » Sat Nov 11, 2017 8:03 pm

Tesseracts wrote:.
I don't think the alt right is projecting. I'm sure some of them are, but I don't think there are more pedos in the alt right than there are among liberals. 4chan has never allowed child porn. One of the primary purposes of the chans is to share weird porn, so of course CP and lolicon have been a thing there, but I don't think any more so than other parts of the internet.


Oh no, I think they are largely projecting. The chans have enough pedophiles in them. Where else would the "Party Van", or V& meme come from? From People often encountering posters of pornographic content involving minors.


EDIT: I have read Lemons comment, and am now drinking the bitter Lemon water of having bad ideas and less than informed opinions.
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Re: The alt-right's obsession with pedophilia

Postby Krashlia » Sat Nov 11, 2017 8:19 pm

More bad ideas.

The video has lots of bashing of "The Left" and much "politically incorrect" banter, but it attempts to draw some connection between the left and advocacy of pedophilia. Mostly by taking advantage of the fact that some strong advocates of ideas to the left had some off putting ideas about children and sex, and some groups of pedophile advocates try to graf themselves into left leaning movements.

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Re: The alt-right's obsession with pedophilia

Postby Crimson847 » Sat Nov 11, 2017 10:09 pm

Alright, I'll address the stuff about Noodles in the thread where it occurred.

cmsellers wrote:Crimson, this is the site that Max found. Currently three of their ten top stories explicitly mention child rape; it was an outright majority when I first looked at it.

And please read the Newsweek article on the subject.


What the hell do you take me for? I wouldn't ask for more evidence before looking at the link you'd already provided.

At any rate, I'm not sure what that site is supposed to prove, other than that a site I've literally never heard of before this has a high density of pedophile-related stories. Is "Neon Nettle" so big on the alt-right that it can be taken as a representation of the group as a whole?

Moreover, I thought the claim was that the alt-right is uniquely quick to accuse their opponents of being pedophiles, not just that they talk about pedophiles or pedophilia. For instance, one of the top stories on that site right now is about a victim getting revenge on their convicted abuser years later, which is certainly about pedophilia but doesn't involve baseless accusations of same against their political opponents. Likewise, another story with pedophilia in the headline is about a liberal professor criticizing the use of labels like "criminal" against people who are convicted of crimes. While the story tangentially mentions child abuse when the professor lists the term "child abuser" as an example of a harmful label, I don't see any implication that the professor must be a pedophile, just that she's a naive soft-headed bleeding-heart PC libtard.

I know of no other political movement that has created a fake sign supposedly sponsored by NAMBLA and tricked its opponents into holding it. I also know of no other movement that has created a conspiracy theory about child sex rings run by its political opponents. The alt-right seems not just quantitatively different, but qualitatively different in this regard.


Liberals have vandalized black churches and other institutions dedicated to minorities with white supremacist symbols and pro-Trump messages, in an attempt to trick people into blaming their political opponents. The left created a conspiracy theory about the Bush administration committing mass murder of its own people for political gain, and then the right did the same thing with Obama after Sandy Hook. I'm not sure how the alt-right is quantitatively or qualitatively different in this regard, based on the evidence presented.
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