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Re: Louis CK sexual harassment "rumors"

Postby KleinerKiller » Fri Nov 10, 2017 3:27 am

Crimson847 wrote:-gloating snip-

Seriously though, I really can't emphasize enough the difference between "this claim is unproven" and "this claim is clearly a lie", and the importance of respecting that difference.


What a mature reaction.

Let me reiterate: there were no direct claims to prove before the NY Times article gathered up real accusers. I always said it would be a different case with an actual source of allegations, rather than people talking about people and others calling for people who might know if something happened. The Gawker collective are not noble soldiers digging for the truth; their sole intent has always been the inflaming of rumors for clicks. The fact that they latched onto something that ended up having truth to it does not justify the years of sloppy, unethical reporting practices, any more than corrupt cops nabbing someone who happens to be guilty justifies their corruption.
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Re: Louis CK sexual harassment "rumors"

Postby Crimson847 » Fri Nov 10, 2017 4:44 am

KleinerKiller wrote:What a mature reaction.

Let me reiterate: there were no direct claims to prove before the NY Times article gathered up real accusers. I always said it would be a different case with an actual source of allegations, rather than people talking about people and others calling for people who might know if something happened. The Gawker collective are not noble soldiers digging for the truth; their sole intent has always been the inflaming of rumors for clicks. The fact that they latched onto something that ended up having truth to it does not justify the years of sloppy, unethical reporting practices, any more than corrupt cops nabbing someone who happens to be guilty justifies their corruption.


Of course Gawker aren't "noble soldiers digging for the truth"; they're sloppy journalists with notorious ethics issues. That doesn't matter much to me when they're not the sole originators of the story, though, and it doesn't change the fact that dismissing the allegations as obvious lies just because Gawker got their mitts on them was a mistake. Nothing was stopping you from paying attention to what Notaro, Barr, and Kirkman among others were saying rather than misrepresenting their statements and trying to pin the whole thing on Gawker, and nothing was stopping you from remaining neutral on the question of whether there was anything to the allegations against CK.

You chose not to do either. More to the point, you can't even admit that it was a mistake to rush to accuse CK's critics of slander based on insufficient information in the first place, even while you castigate Gawker for...rushing to accuse CK of sexual misconduct based on insufficent information. Taking potshots at me for feeling rather vindicated by this turn of events and resentful of the smug snark I got for withholding judgment isn't going to change that.


EDIT: Rereading that last line, it occurs to me that fighting smug snark with more smug snark is pretty hypocritical of me. I apologize for the Rihanna gif; that was a shitty thing to post.

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Re: Louis CK sexual harassment "rumors"

Postby DamianaRaven » Fri Nov 10, 2017 4:21 pm

tinyrick wrote:...I assumed it would be Garfunkel and Oates.


I hope he didn't whip it out at Micucci, because sometimes that kind of wordplay just isn't funny. And sometimes it is.
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Re: Louis CK sexual harassment "rumors"

Postby sunglasses » Fri Nov 10, 2017 4:22 pm

I just want to say, I'm very happy that KK phrased the posts correctly re: sexual harassment vs sexual assault. I've been explaining (patiently, so patiently) to people online that whipping your dick out is sexual harassment NOT sexual assault per legal standards as there is no touching. Now, if someone slaps you with their dick that can be, in fact, construed as sexual assault. I just think it's important to highlight the differences.
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Re: Louis CK sexual harassment "rumors"

Postby sunglasses » Fri Nov 10, 2017 7:37 pm

He says the stories are true.

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Re: Louis CK sexual harassment "rumors"

Postby NathanLoiselle » Fri Nov 10, 2017 8:24 pm

There's a difference between "rumors" and "rumours". The difference being a "u".




I don't know why I said that, it just seemed appropriate.
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Re: Louis CK sexual harassment "rumors"

Postby reallifegirl » Fri Nov 10, 2017 8:36 pm

Welp, that resolves that, I guess?

I don't know, I feel weird saying "Good for him for admitting it", because, you know, you shouldn't masturbate on unwilling participants. But at least he did come clean without any half-assing or trying to justify it. It's still shitty that he did it, but at least it puts an end to any question of 'But DID HE do it?'

I also wonder if this has been eating at him at least a little bit given the subject matter of the film that got pulled, which is basically allllll about justifying sexual assault from people we admire (the movie is basically a tribute to Woody Allen where John Malkovich plays a Woody Allen-esque director who screws underage girls, then puts the move on Louis' daughter). You can see the trailer here:

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Re: Louis CK sexual harassment "rumors"

Postby blehblah » Fri Nov 10, 2017 8:40 pm

sunglasses wrote:He says the stories are true.



Here is the statement, as published by the NYT:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/10/arts ... ement.html



I have to take a bit of time to figure-out what I think of this.
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Re: Louis CK sexual harassment "rumors"

Postby Aquila89 » Sat Nov 11, 2017 12:13 am

FX ended association with C.K. His upcoming movie was dropped by its distributor. HBO already cut ties with him yesterday. He's also been fired from the sequel of The Secret Life of Pets.
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Re: Louis CK sexual harassment "rumors"

Postby NathanLoiselle » Sat Nov 11, 2017 10:44 pm

I don't know. I masturbate all over my wife on a regular basis. Sure, she's unconscious and asleep and sure she wonders why she's all sticky when she wakes up. But I never hear any complaints.
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Re: Louis CK sexual harassment "rumors"

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