sunglasses wrote:So I read the thing about George and boy golly am I confused. Please correct me if I read it wrong.
I read it as two guys got drunk, they went back to his apartment. The alleged Vic passes out and wakes up to drunk George grabbing his dick. He makes vague allusions to a possible spiked drink. He says stop, George protests but does eventually stop.
Look, I'm not the first person to have gotten handsy when drunk but I do stop when people say stop. I mean, I don't do that anymore but did when I was younger-because I thought that was just part of the deal. And that was back in the early 00s, I imagine the drunk groping standards were even less in the 80s.
My point being, people weren't made aware as much as a society the concept of enthusiastic consent while drunk. That's been more of a thing recently-which is great- but I think we need to continue to be wary holding incidents from 30-40 years ago to today's standards. Indeed that is what some are saying about Roy Moore, however, I did look up age of consent in the 70s in Alabama and it was 16 and up. 14 was still a no go.
Kinda what I was thinking. Here's the story from the article reallifegirl posted:
The two men went back to the actor's condo for a drink the same night. "We have the drink and he asks if I would like another," Brunton recalls. "And I said sure. So, I have the second one, and then all of a sudden, I begin feeling very disoriented and dizzy, and I thought I was going to pass out. I said I need to sit down and he said sit over here and he had the giant yellow beanbag chair. So I sat down in that and leaned my head back and I must have passed out."
"The next thing I remember I was coming to and he had my pants down around my ankles and he was groping my crotch and trying to get my underwear off and feeling me up at the same time, trying to get his hands down my underwear," Brunton says. "I came to and said, 'What are you doing?!' I said, 'I don't want to do this.' He goes, 'You need to relax. I am just trying to make you comfortable. Get comfortable.' And I said, 'No. I don't want to do this.' And I pushed him off and he said, 'OK, fine.' And I said I am going to go and he said, 'If you feel you must. You're in no condition to drive.' I said, 'I don't care I want to go.' So I managed to get my pants up and compose myself and I was just shocked. I walked out and went to my car until I felt well enough to drive home, and that was that."
I think it's bad that he groped a guy who was passed out drunk. I also think that what he said after the first "no" was pretty creepy, but he did stop after the second "no," and he let the guy leave.
I've been a little grabby myself, I admit, but when she says "no," I withdraw immediately. I even offer to buy a cab if she's that uncomfortable.