Terry Pratchett wrote:The trouble with having an open mind, of course, is that people will insist on coming along and trying to put things in it.
Kate wrote:What you do need to take a guess at is what happens if we violate those rules, or are discovered to be abusing our powers, or exactly what checks are in place to ensure that no abuse is happening and that we remain accountable to each other.
I don't see how this is disturbing; in fact, I would find it more disturbing if no policies of accountability were in place.
Terry Pratchett wrote:The trouble with having an open mind, of course, is that people will insist on coming along and trying to put things in it.
Kate wrote:If you were happy to operate under the assumption that no standards of accountability were in place, what difference does it make that they exist?
Once more, this does not affect users in any way, except that it helps us ensure that everything that we do is documented, can be backed up, and is done in full knowledge of all mods. You do not need to know our inner workings to know whether your rights are being violated, because the rules and punishments for breaking them are clearly defined. Anything that goes beyond that would be grounds to question our actions and I encourage you to do so.
Terry Pratchett wrote:The trouble with having an open mind, of course, is that people will insist on coming along and trying to put things in it.
Kate wrote:I have not been speaking for the moderation team, but for myself as a part of that team. If you are upset with my response, you are free to ask for my resignation.
But, I do not feel the need to apologize for not publicizing something that has no effect on anyone but the moderation team except to protect people, and that is an entirely internal matter.
Terry Pratchett wrote:The trouble with having an open mind, of course, is that people will insist on coming along and trying to put things in it.
It'd require the resignation of the entire moderator team; you aren't the only one keeping these secret.
Marcuse wrote:No, this is both a ridiculous and unacceptable thing to be suggesting.
We keep our own guidance for how we like moderators to mod, and that's nothing secret or special or magic, it's just guidance we have for ourselves.
Terry Pratchett wrote:The trouble with having an open mind, of course, is that people will insist on coming along and trying to put things in it.
Then there's no reason not to publish them.
Marcuse wrote:Okay. So here's the thing. You're rudely demanding we publish something we use for ourselves to regulate ourselves. Saying there's no reason to publish them is just witch hunting the mod team, which is insulting and tiresome. There's a reason why government freedom of information requests can be denied based on the fact it would constitute a significant drain on resources to provide such information, and for TCS that threshold would be extremely low. In this case, what you are asking is both beyond that threshold, and constitutes no infringement of any rights or abilities of any user on this board because all such guidelines refer purely to what we expect of ourselves, and have absolutely no relation to restrictions on behaviour for any users who are not currently on staff. As such there is no reason to publish such information.
Terry Pratchett wrote:The trouble with having an open mind, of course, is that people will insist on coming along and trying to put things in it.
A Combustible Lemon wrote:Death is an archaic concept for simpleminded commonfolk, not Victorian scientist whales.
CarrieVS wrote:But there won't be moderation they can't anticipate, Avi, unless I've badly misunderstood. The internal mod guidelines (if I understand correctly) are kind of an instruction manual for enforcing the published rules according to the published procedure. The rules say what will be done by the mods, the guidelines tell them how they should go about doing it.
No-one's said that the guidelines can override the published rules: if a mod breaks the rules they will be accountable for that, and if anyone tried to justify a rules breach by mods with internal guidelines that contradict the rule, you'd have a legitimate grievance.
Terry Pratchett wrote:The trouble with having an open mind, of course, is that people will insist on coming along and trying to put things in it.
A Combustible Lemon wrote:Death is an archaic concept for simpleminded commonfolk, not Victorian scientist whales.
CarrieVS wrote:You seem to have missed my point. The point is that a list of rules and what the mods can and should do to enforce them has been published.
Terry Pratchett wrote:The trouble with having an open mind, of course, is that people will insist on coming along and trying to put things in it.
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