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Re: Controversial opinions you hold

Postby NathanLoiselle » Tue Mar 26, 2019 12:31 am

Well, they put pop-up ads in front of my porn so why wouldn't they do that for my video games?
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Re: Controversial opinions you hold

Postby iMURDAu » Tue Mar 26, 2019 11:23 pm

Krashlia wrote:
iMURDAu wrote:considering you'll probably want a PC to play Stadia games on and *uh-oh* Steam games don't pause for ad breaks or have buffering issues.


They're putting actual Ads in the games?


I'm just going off of their current offerings. The play store is fully stocked of games that have ads. They haven't afaik said anything regarding in game ads. It's a potential pitfall. They haven't said anything about how you'd pay for the service or games or anything. They've shown a few high end titles but there's really nothing concrete in terms of games either. That's why I can't get hyped. I know what's coming out on other platforms this year because the competition is trying to sway gamers with games.
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Re: Controversial opinions you hold

Postby Krashlia » Thu Mar 28, 2019 10:03 am

Oh, oh! I have another one:
Since Fascist groups did fight amongst, and oppose each other, this indicates it is not impossible for Anti-Fascists to also be Fascists...


Also, the Soviet Union was a fascist state (due to how the state operated, in spite of how they ideologically defined themselves) and Communist China is also a Fascist state.

its long and opinionated
Equating Fascist with right-wing is an obscuring mistake.

Its not about Right or Left. The defect is in their souls, because Its about control. Some group, for reasons that make sense to them and their vicious egos, wills for the terminal expansion and empowerment of the state over everything, and demeand extreme loyalty while discarding lives they don't regard as useful to their state and their cancerous ambitions.
I keep being told that Fascism was about things like "Tradition", "Capitalism" and "Nationalism". But when I actually looked at the history and values of these people, I find that:

1) For them, Tradition was either useful or an impediment. And, if its too strong, just something they put up with. Mussolini amd crew didn't give a crap about the Catholicism that prevailed in Italy, except to avoid political trouble. Hitler wasn't a big fan of Christianity, thinking to abolish it in the future

2) Capitalism, and the implied free market and freedom to trade amd profit, wasn't real under them them. The supposed Capitalists only existed if and when the party wanted them to, and so long as they don't look like they oppose the Fascist leadership. Unlike here, where politicians are accused of sucking up to corporations, with Fascists its the other way around. Again, this was about control.

3) Nationalism, and forcing others to express it, is a function of their trying to make people whatever the(ir) state wants them to be.
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Re: Controversial opinions you hold

Postby NathanLoiselle » Thu Mar 28, 2019 3:57 pm

Thank you Krashlia.
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Re: Controversial opinions you hold

Postby Marcuse » Thu Mar 28, 2019 9:09 pm

You're mistaking totalitarianism for fascism. Both Soviet Russia and Nazi Germany were totalitarian, but one was fascist and the other communist.
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Re: Controversial opinions you hold

Postby NathanLoiselle » Thu Mar 28, 2019 10:26 pm

Brexit, is a good idea.
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Re: Controversial opinions you hold

Postby Krashlia » Thu Mar 28, 2019 10:57 pm

Marcuse wrote:You're mistaking totalitarianism for fascism. Both Soviet Russia and Nazi Germany were totalitarian, but one was fascist and the other communist.


Except, as even the Soviets admited, Communism is something they never achieved.
The state never dissolved (doing the opposite), class made itself known one way or another, the resource and wealth distribution was always screwed up and harshly expropiating and unjust, and the individual and rights were crushed as opposed to liberated.

What they did achieve, however, was some of the same issues to be found with the Fascists.
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Re: Controversial opinions you hold

Postby Marcuse » Fri Mar 29, 2019 12:03 am

But fascism and communism have radically different reasons for formulation. Fascism as a term is based on the fasces which conceptually was based on the idea of nationalism. Mussolini talked about the term "trincerismo" or the camaraderie of soldiers fighting a war and wanted this for his nation. Fascism is generally a nationalist totalitarian movement which usually ends up striking out against a real or (more usually) perceived or fabricated enemy to generate togetherness among the people. Communism is formulated on precisely the opposite concept, that class, ethnic and social distinctions should be broken down and all people be equal. The fact that this was in essence a pipe dream doesn't detract from the fact that conceptually communism and fascism are opposite in their understanding of the relation between the individual and the state.

Where they are similar is, for different reasons, they demand absolute obedience to the state and its dictates. They extend total control over their citizens in order to ensure such obedience. Fascists do it to enforce that togetherness because difference and dissent are seen as threatening that unity, communists do so because it threatens the political project they intend to work towards. Both of them engage in totalitarian behaviour but for different reasons.
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Re: Controversial opinions you hold

Postby gisambards » Fri Mar 29, 2019 1:22 am

Not to doggy-pile, but also:
Krashlia wrote:Since Fascist groups did fight amongst, and oppose each other, this indicates it is not impossible for Anti-Fascists to also be Fascists...

This doesn't really hold up. Groups who share an ideology often fight against each other, but that doesn't make them "anti" the ideology they both share, it just means they're either divided over a part of that ideology or possibly over something not ideologically motivated at all. If anything, if an ideologically-driven conflict does spark between two groups who share a blanket ideology, it's most likely the case that both would consider themselves closer to the proper embodiment of that ideology, so to describe them as opposing that ideology simply because they're fighting other adherents to it would be entirely inaccurate.
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Re: Controversial opinions you hold

Postby Tesseracts » Fri Mar 29, 2019 5:50 am

Raising a small animal like an 8 week old dog isn't that different than raising a small child. I've never had a child and that will not stop me from having this opinion.
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Re: Controversial opinions you hold

Postby Krashlia » Fri Mar 29, 2019 2:54 pm

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In which I make obscure arguments and possibly commit fallacies... For the cause.

Again, honestly, I didn't really care what they called themselves when the outcome could hardly be distinguished from the other.

Marcuse wrote: ...communists do so because it threatens the political project they intend to work towards.

They also demanded loyalty and fanatical support for the Party and project, and sometimes they go it. I think the fact that the essential sentiment is pretty much the same, with the same effects, just makes it the Nationalism by another name.

gisambards wrote: Not to doggy-pile


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And here's where my obscure, and possibly even more fallacious, argument shows up:

gisambards wrote: If anything, if an ideologically-driven conflict does spark between two groups who share a blanket ideology, it's most likely the case that both would consider themselves closer to the proper embodiment of that ideology, so to describe them as opposing that ideology simply because they're fighting other adherents to it would be entirely inaccurate.


I suppose so. Its like one claiming from the perspective of any one sect of Christianity that any other sect is Anti-Christian, even as they subscribe to some essentially Christian beliefs. Among them it would be a narcissism of differences, and outside of either it would be, well, a sort of error.

However, Satanism exists, and I think it is generally Anti-Christian. inverting some of their beliefs in God, duty towards God, and the purpose of existence.
However, even though Satanism acts as a sort of Anti-Christianity, it still takes on some of Christianity's Abrahamic assumptions about the world.
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Re: Controversial opinions you hold

Postby iMURDAu » Fri Mar 29, 2019 7:17 pm

Tesseracts wrote:Raising a small animal like an 8 week old dog isn't that different than raising a small child. I've never had a child and that will not stop me from having this opinion.


The pluses and minuses of both balance out imo.

But I've never had a small dog.

So...
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Re: Controversial opinions you hold

Postby Marcuse » Fri Mar 29, 2019 8:18 pm

However, Satanism exists, and I think it is generally Anti-Christian. inverting some of their beliefs in God, duty towards God, and the purpose of existence.


Depends on who you ask. There's straight up religious Satanists who believe in the Judaeo-Christian traditional Satan as a devil with horns. There's others who consider Satan to be a kind of spirit of the Earth and see it as a metaphysical notion not unlike paganism. There's people who consider Satanism to be nothing more than enlightened self interest which is shorn of Christian notions of guilt, sin and repentance as a call to independence and self-realisation.

Then you have LaVey who was actually just a troll and didn't believe in any of it.
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Re: Controversial opinions you hold

Postby Krashlia » Fri Mar 29, 2019 8:58 pm

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Re: Controversial opinions you hold

Postby RatElemental » Mon Apr 08, 2019 12:15 pm

Given the state of the world, I think it's more selfish to have children than to not have children.

I think that one's controversial anyway, given how often people accuse you of being selfish if you don't want kids.
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