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Hexaco personality test: OCEAN with honesty-humility

Postby cmsellers » Sat Jan 20, 2018 9:31 am

FiveThirtyEight has an article saying that the Big Five (which I tend to call OCEAN) personality test is the only scientifically valid one, which I already knew. But the article that there's some evidence that there may be a sixth personality trait, honesty-humility, which is also valid, and that intrigued me.

The article linked to a scientific article, but I wanted to see if I could find a test that incorporates this trait, and I found one. Interestingly, it also breaks down each score into sub-scores. It's also apparently based on cross-cultural studies.

Annoyingly, while you can dowload a PDF of your results it doesn't show the convenient pictures that show you whether you're within the bounds of normal or not, and I know most of you don't have the patience for that. (One thing this test highlights is that I'm weirdly patient.) So I had to screenshot stuff. And as my results should make clear, I'm far out of bounds for many of these.

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The honesty-humility score turns out to be a bit of a wash. I'm often willing to break rules if I don't think I'll get caught (though generally only in cases where the crime is either victimless or the effects are spread over a large number of people), and I don't like conspicuous displays of wealth. And despite the fact that it seems like the first is dishonest and the second is humble, they somehow balance each other out. I score high on sincerity but within normal bounds and score almost exactly average on modesty.

However I find some of my other scores a bit more interesting. The only scores that are close to how I usually score on OCEAN tests is openness to new experiences, where I still score way out of normal bounds, and agreeableness, where I'm just below acceptable lower limits.

Meanwhile I score lower on neuroticism (emotionality) and higher on conscientiousness than I've ever scored on an OCEAN test. Typically I score low on the latter and extremely high on the former, but here I'm well within normal bounds for both. I also score much lower on extraversion than most tests. All of these seem to be because each factor is broken out into equally-weighted sub-categories.

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is clearly more accurate than typical OCEAN tests. I'm a talkative introvert, and though they don't ask about how much I talk to people at all, I guess that "boldness" reflects my willingness to talk to strangers. However I am otherwise exceptionally introverted.

Conscientiousness is interesting, since it suggests that despite being disorganized, since I'm cautious perfectionist I end up near the middle of the road. I think that the test overstates how dilligent I am and that should be lower though.

My neuroticism/emotionality score is dragged down because despite being an anxious and apparently dependent wreck of a human being, I have little regard for my physical safety and am apparently a robot about feelings. As such, it would appear that my neuroses balance out and produce a fairly well-rounded human being.

My agreeableness sub-scores are interesting, despite being consistent with OCEAN tests. I realized recently that I'm an incredibly patient person, which this test bears out. I'm not entirely sure how that happened, since I used to be incredibly impatient. However I'm still incredibly blunt with people (which isn't part of the honesty-humility scale), as well as stubborn and prone to holding grudges, which are apparently two distinct sub-scales.

Also, altruism seems to be its own thing not part of any larger factor, and I seem to be just at the lower bounds of normal. Hooray for me not being as selfish as I thought I am, I guess?

Any rate, if any of you have the patience to take this test and screenshots of it I'd like to see your results and maybe self-analysis.
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Re: Hexaco personality test: OCEAN with honesty-humility

Postby Grimstone » Sat Jan 20, 2018 10:40 am

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It actually sort of bothers me how much dishonesty and deception play a role in the functioning of normal everyday society(fake politeness, not acceptable to be open/blunt with others, lying to avoid hurting someone's feelings, etc.) I wouldn't pretend to like someone in order to get something out of them, but I would consider being crass in order to get them to drop the act and be direct with me.
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Re: Hexaco personality test: OCEAN with honesty-humility

Postby JamishT » Sat Jan 20, 2018 11:10 am

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I don't know how much the fact that it is 4am (to be fair, I am never in bed before 4:30 these days) and I've been online for a good 6 hours has affected the results. I mean, they're not all that surprising. Very low patience, a strong desire for outward signs of wealth (although, I wonder if that has more to do with my lifelong poverty than anything else), and within the average spread in most everything else. Although I am a little surprised with my lack of fear and anxiety.

I would be interested in seeing how the middle 80% would change if the polled pool was not Canadians; that would make my results a little more meaningful to me.
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Re: Hexaco personality test: OCEAN with honesty-humility

Postby CarrieVS » Sat Jan 20, 2018 12:36 pm

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So I'm outside the bell curve on a lot of things. Not a desperate surprise there (if I'm honest - and I am, see below - it's a little gratifying).

Unsurprising that I'm extremely honest/humble: I can't stand being given special treatment and I've always, since early childhood, detested breaking rules or telling lies, even if the consequences aren't anything to worry about, it just feels wrong and makes me feel like a terrible person. I'm not saying I never lie but I feel awful about it afterwards and I'm not even comfortable with white lies.

Very emotional - yeah, that's me. I'm a little surprised that fearfulness isn't higher, but everything else is bang on my estimation of myself. I'm particularly anxious and I know I have empathy and attachment way outside the norm, which is more or less what sentimentality says it's measuring.

Utterly un-extraverted. If this had come out any other way I'd be calling bullshit on the entire test. I'm timid and unsocial in equally extreme measure, which is as expected. I'd have expected liveliness and self-esteem to be the other way about, actually. On reflection, I don't actually have a really low opinion of myself, just of my ability to function and get on with people - I have low expectations of other people's opinion of me, but I'm relatively ok with that because I like me, mostly.

A little disappointed to be below average for agreeableness but not surprised that this is one of my two aspects within normal range. The sub-scores are about what I'd expect although surprised my patience is that low.

Almost dead average for conscientiousness. Nothing particularly outside my expectations there.

Reading the definition of openness to experience (which isn't quite what I thought it was) I'm not surprised I'm just outside the bell curve and being the top end of the normal range for the sub-elements isn't unexpected either.

Altruism seems to be it's own thing, neither a bolded category nor an indented sub-aspect. Above the average range on that. I'd have expected to be near the top of the 80%, so I'm more generous than I thought? Yay?
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Re: Hexaco personality test: OCEAN with honesty-humility

Postby satan_n_stuff » Sat Jan 20, 2018 12:40 pm

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Re: Hexaco personality test: OCEAN with honesty-humility

Postby sunglasses » Sat Jan 20, 2018 2:41 pm

Once I figure out how to link the pdf I will. I still can't figure out how to screen shot things with this phone.

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Re: Hexaco personality test: OCEAN with honesty-humility

Postby AboveGL » Sat Jan 20, 2018 4:13 pm

Initially, I wondered how the fuck I scored higher in social esteem than anxiety, let alone higher than I thought.

Then I realised I was looking at the wrong markers.

Anyhow, the results were largely as expected. Organisation, sincerity and anxiety ended up being among my highest scores. I was always socially conscious and reserved, but I feel a little more self-confident around others than I have in the past. What interested me the most is to see how differently I scored with some traits than I would have if I took the test last year.

General Musings about my Results
Obviously, many of my answers ended up being neutral, especially to questions often dependent on the situation. I'm not surprised I scored high in fearfulness, but I usually find it's not enough to be considered a hindrance (in fact, I acknowledge my fear and still step outside of my comfort zone when I can anyway, and I'm more likely to do it when I feel fearful than when I feel apathetic and withdrawn).

I'm a little surprised at the above-neutral score for creativity when expected it to be lower. I also expected a little more in aesthetic appreciation.

Dependence is a strange one. I've learned to confide more and be open around others and can see the benefits of doing so. I see it as a good thing to acknowledge I need re-assurance on occasion. But I still would never have scored myself high that one. Maybe it's worth re-assessing if I really am as independent as I like to think I am.

The only one that surprised me the most is my low diligence score. When it comes to management of my personal projects, I'm pretty poor, but there are definitely things I've seen through like my game modding and jujitsu. I do enough to meet personal goals I set and tend to meet most of them, but I don't become hugely fixated on them at the cost of everything else. Work's a different story; I work my goddamn ass off and I'm as thorough as necessary.

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Re: Hexaco personality test: OCEAN with honesty-humility

Postby Tesseracts » Sat Jan 20, 2018 4:13 pm

No surprise here, but I am happy to have an average conscientiousness result rather than my typical below average.
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Re: Hexaco personality test: OCEAN with honesty-humility

Postby Ladki96 » Sat Jan 20, 2018 4:39 pm

I can never know with these type of quizzes. maybe these results are (what feel) right today, but maybe they won't be tomorrow, and maybe I am just terrible at taking quizzes :P answered as honestly as I think I could, but eh. you know?

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Re: Hexaco personality test: OCEAN with honesty-humility

Postby satan_n_stuff » Sat Jan 20, 2018 6:23 pm

I should probably point out that I'm not nearly as honest as the results would suggest, most of the relevant questions were about what someone would do in one specific situation which tends to result in misleading answers. The fact that I'll act like an honest straight forward kind of guy most of the time does not necessarily make me those things, it could just as well make me a pragmatic liar.
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Re: Hexaco personality test: OCEAN with honesty-humility

Postby Australia » Sat Jan 20, 2018 9:03 pm

Surely if you score low enough on honesty, it throws the rest of the results into question?
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Re: Hexaco personality test: OCEAN with honesty-humility

Postby iMURDAu » Sat Jan 20, 2018 9:06 pm

It should. And don't call me Shirley.
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Re: Hexaco personality test: OCEAN with honesty-humility

Postby cmsellers » Sun Jan 21, 2018 1:17 am

Australia wrote:Surely if you score low enough on honesty, it throws the rest of the results into question?
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The interesting thing about that is that you might expect a dishonest person would lie on the honesty section too, since it asks about things like "would you steal a million dollars if you were sure you could get away with it?" (I fairly consistently gave slight agreement to those questions. I conceivably would, if I were stealing it from a big bank or the TSA budget but not if I were stealing it from a senile old lady or the public library system. However as a practical matter I don't think I'm clever enough avoid getting caught, rendering it a moot point.)

Also, I read the history of the test, and the altruism dimension is one of two "interstitial" dimensions, along with "negative self-evaluation," which I'm sure I'd have scored off the charts on if they hadn't removed it.
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Re: Hexaco personality test: OCEAN with honesty-humility

Postby Grimstone » Sun Jan 21, 2018 1:59 am

cmsellers wrote:The interesting thing about that is that you might expect a dishonest person would lie on the honesty section too, since it asks about things like "would you steal a million dollars if you were sure you could get away with it?" (I fairly consistently gave slight agreement to those questions. I conceivably would, if I were stealing it from a big bank or the TSA budget but not if I were stealing it from a senile old lady or the public library system. However as a practical matter I don't think I'm clver enough avoid getting caught, rendering it a moot point.)


That's the problem with these tests. Their methods and questioning are extremely flawed, IMO. For example, if you answer 'disagree' to the question on whether or not you like staring at trees you may think your just saying "nah, I don't usually stop and stare at trees" but what's really happening is it's interpreting that as "deduct x points from appreciates nature/beauty". Not interested in reading history books? Points deducted from inquisitiveness. If your topics of interest don't pop up(which is very likely) it's going to think you hate reading and art. So what you actually have is a test full of vague questions, binary answers(agree/disagree), and overly simplistic results.
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Re: Hexaco personality test: OCEAN with honesty-humility

Postby Absentia » Sun Jan 21, 2018 3:06 am

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I know I took an OCEAN inventory in college because I took a class on it but I can't remember what the results were. But this looks fairly accurate, I guess. It's hard to gauge my anxiety because it tends to come and go depending on how much stress I'm dealing with.
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