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Postby Bert » Sun Jul 24, 2016 12:11 am

New trailer is up:



The WWI setting is a new one. In BvS she says she gave up on man's world 100 years ago, and if the Great War was her introduction to it that would make sense. The fight choreography looks awesome and I will never not be excited when I hear that electric cello riff in her theme.

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I'm guessing the main antagonist will be Ares since he is one of her regular villains, it would make for a good final fight, and playing puppet master to a world war is right up his alley.


Hope it turns out as good as it looks.
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Re: Wonder Woman

Postby DjiboutiDan » Sun Jul 24, 2016 5:05 am

I saw Batman vs. Superman after it had been out a few weeks and the internet's reaction had me thinking it was going to be an absolute pile of shit, but I liked it. I didn't love it, but I liked it. I didn't like the portrayal of Batman they chose to do, although I thought Ben Affleck did a great job. So overall the movie was pretty average. However it accomplished 2 things exceedingly well: it set up an awesome looking Justice League through short, but cool character introductions, and it made me very excited about Wonder Woman. She was the best part of the movie, hands down.
I love that they're going with the WWI/Steve Trevor story line. This could be a badass movie. Or just a bad one. I'm hoping for the former.

Bert wrote:...and I will never not be excited when I hear that electric cello riff in her theme.

100% agree

Also I just watched the Justice League "trailer". Still very excited.

Pause it at 1:38 and look at the monitor over Bruce Wayne's left shoulder.
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Re: Wonder Woman

Postby Tesseracts » Sun Jul 24, 2016 5:19 am

I can't remember the last time I was excited for a superhero trailer, but this was really good. My only issue is the joke at the end is rather insulting to secretaries. I don't think it's right when people promote equality by throwing traditional woman's roles under the bus. Especially because the job of secretary actually used to be traditionally male.
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Re: Wonder Woman

Postby JamishT » Sun Jul 24, 2016 6:18 am

Holy crap! That's really all I can say, because I am quite unfamiliar with Wonder Woman and her story (or stories), but she looks like a total badass in this trailer (not to mention gorgeous)! I will watch this when this comes out, barring any major life changes such as death or kidnapping by the Amish Mafia...
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Re: Wonder Woman

Postby reallifegirl » Mon Jul 25, 2016 12:11 am

I really, really like both trailers. Justice League I'm more nervous about because of Zach Snyder, but man do I approve of all uses of Icky Thump as soundtrack music. Also, I've seen Ezra Miller in a few movies and really am excited about him as The Flash.

That said, I really want both Suicide Squad and Wonder Woman to succeed because 1) I am admittedly DC trash, and 2) I want there to be an alternate superhero take that is less shiny-glossy than Marvel's. Like, I don't think the problem was ever that grittiness couldn't work (see: Nolan, Christopher) but that Zach Snyder isn't the smartest filmmaker. Letting other people take the reigns and deliver would really be satisfying.

Also, I really really really love that fucking Wonder Woman riff.
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Re: Wonder Woman

Postby DoglovingJim » Mon Jul 25, 2016 12:19 pm

Tesseracts wrote:My only issue is the joke at the end is rather insulting to secretaries. I don't think it's right when people promote equality by throwing traditional woman's roles under the bus. Especially because the job of secretary actually used to be traditionally male.

Hmm... I'm not really sure I follow. Is it a traditional male role or is it traditionally female? What's the problem exactly?


Regardless, I watched both trailers and now await the day that my favorite bootlegger starts selling DVD's again in my local flea-market.
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Re: Wonder Woman

Postby KleinerKiller » Thu Nov 03, 2016 7:39 pm

A second trailer has finally debuted.



PROS:

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- Still looks infinitely more colorful and visually interesting than current DC flicks, so it seems the higher-ups haven't squelched Zack Snyder's aesthetic all over it in the editing room yet. Then again, I thought the same thing about Suicide Squad when its trailers were coming out, so we'll see.

- The WW1 setting looks as exciting as ever, and while the conceit of the enemy army developing futuristic weapons that could turn the tide of the war has been done to death (not least by the first Captain America), it still works.

- This already looks to have the best action scenes and choreography of any DC venture so far. I have a lot of fondness for characters who deflect things with their hands or wrists, and Diana will obviously be doing a lot of that, so that's awesome.

- I'll say it again: it doesn't look like Zack Snyder's work.


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- Gal Gadot's performance failed to impress me in Batman V Superman despite being hailed as the best thing about it, she didn't impress me in the first trailer, and this one doesn't change my mind no matter how much I desperately want it to. I'm no stranger to mostly monotone line-reading and it can be effective in some cases (Mr. Robot, for example), but she still just seems bland.

- The humor isn't landing. It looks like there's going to be quite a few secretary jokes, and the bit at the end is more groan-worthy "HEY LOOK WE'RE ENLIGHTENED" quipping. People rag on DC's films for being dour and humorless, but I'd rather have po-faced seriousness done well and backed by good writing (so more along the lines of Logan than BVS) than poor attempts at comic relief.

- Soldier Love Interest Guy isn't winning me over yet. And maybe Hell or High Water just spoiled me too much, but it's disappointing to see Chris Pine being generic and flavorless again.

- Etta Candy seems like a fine character in the comics, at least judging from my research (as I've said, I don't read superhero comics), but so far both of her trailer-ending scenes are irritatingly quirky material out of a Paul Feig movie. I hope she isn't too grating a presence, but my hopes aren't high.
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Re: Wonder Woman

Postby Australia » Sun Jun 04, 2017 4:43 pm

Another day, another middling DC movie and you know what that means. Y-you don’t? Really? I… It-it’s another one of these th-things I do for no discernible reason. Anyway…

The Good
Holy plot, Batman. As in this movie actually has one. That’s different for this universe. Usually it’s a bunch of nonsense and not the fun kind.

THEY DIDN'T CALL THE MOVIE W1DER WOMAN! Either studios are learning or they're biding their time until 2019's Wonder Woman Re2rns.

I mean, yeah, for the third film in a row, the heroes defeat the villain in their first confrontation, but they were fighting his actions for the last half of the movie, so it’s not a ‘kill Doomsday five minutes after he’s born’ or ‘kill Enchantress with a bullet’ level of stakelessness. The win felt somewhat earned as opposed to a foregone conclusion (prequelitis notwithstanding) and they at least met UndercovAres beforehand.

The action is solid. My favourite scene was where she lassoed a bunch of cunts quick-fast. It reminded me of Indy and his whip.

Until last year, the only Chris Pine role I really enjoyed was Horrible Bosses 2 but he was in two of my favourite movies of 2016 and he’s great in this too. He easily could have fallen into the ‘vehicle Wonder Woman gives exposition about her customs to and vice versa’ character but he was fun in his own right. His end was predictable because it was either die now or die of old age before the DCU even started and one’s more interesting to watch than the other, but still, good times. (Also off-screen death, so Flash could pop back in time and yoink him back to the present without continuity errors, though that would push the already-glaring Marvel ripoff moment into overdrive.)

This is the first DCU movie where I wasn’t actively rooting against the heroes. Way to embrace likable personality traits, movie. It’s amazing what injecting a little humour can do. Did all of it land? Hell no. But it wasn’t distractingly bad, just a ‘meh’ here or there. The naturally-flowing jokes worked better than the forced quips.

It was good to see Spud from Trainspotting again. Seemed to be playing Spud from Trainspotting too. I smell a crossover.


The Bad
Prequel. Enough said.

I know they’re playing catch-up to Marvel but do they have to steal the logo design too? Don’t get me wrong, they’re both guilty of being far too long but I’d at least like to see something different. Sony and Fox manage to have unique logos, despite both specialising in crap films. Why can’t the same thing be said for comic book specialists? And if you’re going to do the exact same thing as another logo, I’d prefer they do Pixar, only make the lamp shine the bat-signal at the end.

It took way too long to get going. As awesome as the first real battle sequence was, it should not have taken over an hour to get there. The Diana-growing up montage could have been cut in half, as could the admittedly funny fish-out-of-water stuff. Did Bigger Fatter Liar really bring back the fashion montage? I was really hoping that trope stayed buried.

Waaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyy tooooooooooooooo muuuuuuuuuuuuchhhhhhh sloooooooooooooowwwwwww moooooooooo.

I’m not convinced Gadot is a good actor. So many people said she was the best part of BVS but I think they’re confusing ‘best’ with ‘least’. She wasn’t in it enough to be bad and lift her out of that film and nothing changes. She’s passable and doesn’t detract from the movie but her emotional range is limited. Having said that, there’s a great angry scene at the climax so I may be too hard on her.

Actually, on BVS, I wish she hadn’t been in it because the impact of seeing Wonder Woman doing her stuff for the first time isn’t there because we’ve already seen her doing her stuff last year.

They did that weird Suicide Squad choice of showing the exact same scene twice as if something new was being revealed when it wasn’t. Sure we got the dialogue the second time, but it was exactly what was implied by their reactions the first time and I guessed pretty much word-for-word what was said in what was a good farewell the first time and overkill the second.

Why does Steve speak English to get past the German guards? That's not how spies work. Fooled them though so maybe I'm overestimating their intelligence.

Why were the Amazonians mad at Diana for knocking her Aunt on her ass? It’s not like she killed her and she got right up without a scratch on her. Hardly exile material. That’d be like calling a televised soccer match a fair game of Fetch.

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Shoehorned gifs aside, the plot is basically the first Captain America movie, which is the only MCU movie I was so bored with I haven’t rewatched. The Howling Commandos had more personality in this one but it still ended with a Steve crashing a plane so the weapon wouldn’t go off.

I saw the twist coming from pretty much the beginning. Maybe if the movie had come out eight weeks ago, I would have been fooled but it’s impossible to watch Fargo and not immediately see Thewlis as Varga, particularly mid-season. But if that wasn’t enough, the fact that the Fury-Road-Chrome spray huffing German died in a completely one-sided fight was enough to prove he wasn’t a God.

Can Wonder Woman fly now or did she land on her invisible plane at a weird angle at the end there?

Wonder Woman didn’t resolve her differences with Ares by an epiphany that they both owned cats called Fluffy. Diana's mum foreshadowed it with that 'should we have told her?' line and everything. All I ask is that they make that a running joke so it’s not glaring in rewatches of Dawn of Justice. Who am I kidding? I’m not rewatching that. I will drive this joke into the ground however, like a sword through a German general. Wait, that was on a roof.


The Ugly
The bookends were completely unnecessary and added nothing to the movie. It’s World War 1. You’d have to be a moron not to know it’s the past.


It’s the best superheroine movie I’ve seen, though Supergirl, Catwoman and Elektra were hot trash, I’ve not witnessed the much-mocked Tank Girl and it’s nowhere near as compelling or entertaining as superheroine TV shows like Jessica Jones. The gender of it aside, as a live-action DC movie, it’s the best since The Dark Knight Rises, which isn’t a high bar, and it’s no Logan or Guardians 2. I’m not that psyched for another Spiderman movie and the trailer was more a synopsis than a blurb so it may not be the worst superhero movie 2017 has to offer, though I love me some Iron Man so Homecoming may have a headstart in that department. I can categorically say Wonder Woman is better than last week’s cinematic masterpiece, Irate of the Caribbean 5: Dead Men Are Only Telling Tales In This Movie and the one I saw before that, Alien Coven8. And as long as I'm just listing this year's inconsequential films, it twelve thousand percent beats Return of Xander Cage.

Good movie; needs more wonder.
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Re: Wonder Woman

Postby Doodle Dee. Snickers » Wed Jun 14, 2017 4:25 am

Just saw this movie tonight, checking in.

++ World War 1. One thing that disappointed me back when military shooters became big is that we always came back to World War 2, even in the movies and such. While World War 2 is the more flashy war--there were clear good guys and bad guys, there were huge personalities from the generals to the leaders, there were much higher stakes, and even the horrifying moments of the war (the Holocaust, the nukes, Rape of Nanking, etc) were more clear cut and dramatic, leaving it much more imprinted on public memory. World War 1 is infinitely more interesting as a study of humanity, a war that was fought more or less because of nothing, for nothing, and the carnage was just as devastating but confined more to the battlefield.
I thought it was ballsy, sticking a superhero movie in that kind of setting, but I was pleasantly surprised that Wonder Woman leaned into it by sticking a morally perfect person in one of the most morally dubious times in history. The whole point is "yes, there isn't some big bad that can just be slain, then war ends forever, everything's confused and nobody's ever 100% good or bad". Sure, she ends the movie with slaying a big bad, but the armistice was happening already, and it left her understandably fleeing the world for some time.
So I dug that they decided to set it in WW1, is what I'm saying. It felt a bit like the King Kong:Skull Island movie, which was a King Kong movie wearing a Vietnam movie. This was a superhero movie wearing a WW1 movie.
++ Physicality. This is something I've been noticing increasingly with female actresses. One of the reasons I think Ellen Ripley and Sarah Connor were such iconic characters is that you could really believe that Sigourney Weaver and Linda Hamilton were physically capable of doing those things. Furiosa from Mad Max, Rey from Star Wars, I've noticed that actresses expected to play female characters who fight are increasingly being told to actually look like they're physically capable of the feats they are and getting down and dirty in a fight.
+Gal Gadot. I remember when she was first announced back before BvS, and I was like "Ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh". But you know what? I'll shut up. She played the role very well, and though it's not exactly a complex role, she's at least making believe she's Wonder Woman. I like the perpetual state of disbelief she seems to be in over the state of the world.
+Chris Pine. I was worried about him. He was likable enough in Star Trek, but that's about all I know him from and I wasn't sure how he'd translate over to this film. He did a good job, I though, far better than I was expecting.
+The humor. I actually wasn't expecting the movie to be as funny as it was, but they had some really good moments here and there.
+Chris Pine's Merry Band. Seriously, those three dudes who just followed Chris Pine on his merry World War 1 adventure were killing me every time they were on screen.
+The acting, just all-round. Seriously, I didn't dislike a single character in this film, even if I was a little 'eh' on the villain. From Chris Pine's secretary to Wonder Woman herself, everyone was just killing it in this movie.
+The Chemist. I always like the "Obsessive Villain" who is almost a punch-clock villain but just has that extra obsessive mania. I thought the villainness was frankly the best villain in the movie, because she fit the theme and setting more than the real villain (see below). I suppose she couldn't be an action girl, though, so it was always gonna be someone else, but I liked her role.
+/- The Villain. The villain wasn't quite as compelling as all the other characters. I was glad that he was like "War will go on with or without me", and I spent half the fight going "Wait, is he actually Zeus, or....", but I knew he was the bad guy the moment he funded their little adventure. It was too obvious to be the German guy. I suppose that fits with the idea of nobody being good in this war, but it just felt a little too...off. It's hard to describe.
+/- Female empowerment. Mostly plus, but a little minus. I'd say this ranks third behind Aliens and Fury Road for female empowerment blockbusters. Like Fury Road, it was mostly just left unsaid, my preferred kind of message. Also like Fury Road it could sometimes be a bit too on the nose ("This is NO MAN'S land! It's a place for NO MEN! If only we had someone who wasn't a MAN to get across this NO MAN'S land!")
- Not Enough Robin Wright. For reals, you have Claire Underwood in the movie and then you just kill her off in the first twenty minutes? Dafuq?

All told, best DC movie since the Dark Knight, I think. I hope this is the beginning of the upward trajectory for the DC franchise. Especially since Marvel's grown pretty rote (although Thor:Ragnarok looks like it might be injecting some much-needed personality into Thor).

It's funny, I told someone at work the other day: "We've got a great Wonder Woman movie, a good King Kong movie, we've got an It remake happening soon, a Justice League movie, and Star Wars at the end of the year. It's like some movie executives at Disney and WB peered into my soul and were like "What does Doods wanna watch this year? Can we get on that?"." I love this new trend of them bringing back or creating franchises, is what I'm saying, and I'm sure the bubble will collapse eventually, but let me just enjoy it now.
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Re: Wonder Woman

Postby Absentia » Thu Jun 15, 2017 3:11 am

Saw it and enjoyed it, but I wasn't particularly impressed. The action was good and Gadot is very believable as an asskicker, but the plot was just so formulaic. Maybe comic book movie fatigue is finally setting in for me, but I've just seen so many origin stories in the past -- *Google break* -- nine years. The fact that this one starred a woman is a nice change of pace but then they went and made it a virtual remake of Captain America, which isn't exactly a breath of fresh air. And the bit about starring a woman comes with an asterisk, because it honestly felt more like Chris Pine's movie whenever the bullets weren't flying. And there were two things about the plot that bugged me:

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Gotta say it's a little galling to see somebody who's bulletproof lecture soldiers about what a bunch of pussies they are for staying in the trenches and not rushing a machine gun nest. That didn't sit well with me.

And I know that the Germans are the designated Bad Guys, but I'm pretty sure that if the real General Ludendorff had murdered an officer in front of dozens of people and then gassed the rest of the German brass, he wouldn't have had a chance to move forward with his evil scheme on account of being in prison awaiting the biggest curbstomp of a court-martial in the history of military justice.
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Re: Wonder Woman

Postby tinyrick » Sun Jun 18, 2017 10:05 am

I'm with Doodle on the WWI setting. Not many movies are set during this war, and it's the greatest war if you want a "war is bad" message. The whole thing was a bloodbath and it achieved nothing. (The Vietnam War has been the favorite for movie makers wanting to express that message since it's more recent and people remember it.) The villain for this movie was a much better fit for this war than the next one, as well. I really enjoyed this movie.
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Re: Wonder Woman

Postby BROWNRECLUSE » Mon Jun 19, 2017 12:22 am

I saw this yesterday in one of the new Dolby Digital Cinema theaters and was blown away at how great the film looked visually and how intense the sound was. 3D and IMAX are now not as impressive as they were before.

This definitely makes up lost ground for DC. The only thing I moderately disliked about it was the near-carbon copy of the plane sacrifice scene in Captain America. Everything else was enjoyable.
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Re: Wonder Woman

Postby NathanLoiselle » Mon Jun 19, 2017 1:41 am

My wife asked me where I learned such feminism from.

I said... "I learned it from Wonderwoman, alright? I learned it from Wonderwoman!"
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Re: Wonder Woman

Postby Aquila89 » Thu Jun 22, 2017 11:30 am

Absentia wrote:
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Gotta say it's a little galling to see somebody who's bulletproof lecture soldiers about what a bunch of pussies they are for staying in the trenches and not rushing a machine gun nest. That didn't sit well with me.

And I know that the Germans are the designated Bad Guys, but I'm pretty sure that if the real General Ludendorff had murdered an officer in front of dozens of people and then gassed the rest of the German brass, he wouldn't have had a chance to move forward with his evil scheme on account of being in prison awaiting the biggest curbstomp of a court-martial in the history of military justice.


I'm kind of disappointed that they turned Ludendorff into a comic book supervillain. The character has almost nothing in common with the real Ludendorff (doesn't even look like him.) What's the point? Why not just use a fictional general?
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