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Re: The Walking Dead

Postby Australia » Tue Mar 03, 2015 2:33 pm

Okay, don't hate me, but I just got a new computer (most of you have seen what happened to my last one) and while it's annoying in some ways, it did come with video-editing software. Now don't expect this to be good or anything but considering the latest episode was a talking heads-style show, I decided to make my first mash-up. If you haven't seen 'Remember', minor spoilers. (I originally tried to make a Youtube account to upload it but they wanted my phone number to confirm my account and yeah, no.)

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Don't critique it too harshly. I made it for a laugh, not an art piece and it was hours I should could have spent writing.

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Rest in pieces, Rick's beard. So much for becoming a Sasquatch by season 8. So this new group, I like some of them, creepy husbands and weird roamer-fetishists aside, but history tells us they're going to be evil. Though it looks like it could go a new way, where Rick's the new Governor, especially his last line. Seeing them as the villains for a while could be fun, especially since there'll be a civil war of sorts, with the group taking sides with and against Rick. Rick's hair has already distanced itself from Rick's objectives.
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Re: The Walking Dead

Postby Masonator » Tue Mar 03, 2015 3:05 pm

Spoiler for comic readers who have read through All Out War. Do not read if you've only watched the show.

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So, a few random thoughts. At this point it's pretty clear that Rick and the gang have reached their home, unless the show goes completely away from the comics. I find it a bit strange that Negan hasn't been cast yet (as far as I can tell), but I assume maybe we will get a glimpse of him in the season finale.

The woman giving Rick the haircut might as well be wearing a red shirt. I'm not really sure Rick needs to get close to someone just so they can kill her off, considering they already played that out with Lori. However, the show in the past hasn't minded repeating itself ad nauseum, so who can say?

A few changes I expect include changing Ezekiel and his medieval dinner theater troupe to a regular colony. That means Ezekiel no longer has a pet tiger, either. I have mixed feelings on this. It was incredibly stupid, completely unbelievable, but hilarious at the same time. Negan's dialog is going to be a big question mark, since his string of f bombs can't be done on AMC.

My big question is whether or not Glenn gets killed. The show has changed character deaths in the past (Hershel has Tyrone's death, Bob has Dale's death). Carol is the only character I can think of (since Tyrone's recent death) to survive her comic counterpart for so long. However, the death of Glenn seems kind of necessary if Maggie is going to go through the character change that results in her becoming a strict and uncompromising leader like Rick. Plus, Glenn's character has remained kind of stagnant, while Maggie has been getting put through the ringer, with her dad getting decapitated in front of her, and then being toyed with the hope that her sister is alive only to see her body being carried out of the hospital. Take away Glenn on top of that and she might become the desensitized, uncompromising leader of the other colony she is in the comics. My only questions is whether the actress can pull off that transformation. It's hard to blame her or the writing, but so far, all she really does is cry, while in the show, Michonne seems to be stepping up as a leader. My bet is Glenn dies at the midseason break next season, but I wouldn't put it past the showrunners to groom Michonne to be the leader of the other colony.
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Re: The Walking Dead

Postby iMURDAu » Tue Mar 17, 2015 10:20 pm

Carol. Is a stone cold original gangster. She's Paulie and that kid is Henry. So eventually he'll have to turn her in to save his own ass. And Seth Gilliam is killing it as Gabriel. Great performance from him again. I think there's only 2 episodes left this season. :cry: But there's another issue of the comic coming this month! :o
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Re: The Walking Dead

Postby iMURDAu » Thu Mar 26, 2015 1:03 am

In the most recent issue we've seen the return of a popular character after 7 or so months. And she isn't dead or leading the Whisperers like some people thought. I think if this is translated to TV it would be best to have the 7 month absence take place between March and October since the show isn't airing then anyways.
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Re: The Walking Dead

Postby Australia » Thu Mar 26, 2015 6:00 am

Where the fuck is Morgan? Seriously, this has been the longest tease since my high school girlfriend.
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Re: The Walking Dead

Postby Masonator » Mon Mar 30, 2015 2:25 pm

Australia wrote:Where the fuck is Morgan? Seriously, this has been the longest tease since my high school girlfriend.


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Well I hope you like your Morgan with a side of Jackie Chan and a dash of zen Buddhism. Don't know where Morgan would have learned bojutsu, but I half expected him to say "I don't want trouble!" at the end of the opening scene.

There were some good parts of the finale, but I'm gonna focus on the bad, just because I feel like it. Father Gabriel not closing the gate is so dumb. Never mind the fact that there was no real reason why the guard would ask Gabriel to take care of closing the gate for him, I'll ignore the implausibility that leads to this event, but what kind of logic is it to feel such guilt over condemning your parishioners to die that you are borderline suicidal, but then you turn around and cease to give a shit about protecting your new flock, which almost leads to their deaths? The actor is fantastic, but the character motivation needs a bit of an overhaul.

Stop focusing on Sasha until her PTSD leads to something other than crying or killing. She's so one note at this point that I don't think anyone would have cared if she never left the zombie grave at the beginning of the episode.

The Wolves as a threat leaves something to be desired. I know the two guys we've seen are probably scouts for a much larger group, but right now, it hardly pumps me up for next season that the only new threat we've seen have no guns and got their asses handed to them by Morgan in the opening scene.

And finally, the Alexandrians. They're naive, they don't know what they're doing, but does this mean they have no common sense? Last episode, Rick pulls out a gun and threatens to take the place over, so the first we see him in this episode, he is in a house with free access to the others in his group, unsupervised. And sure enough, he plans to take over the town as his Plan B and gets a gun within minutes, all underscoring the inherent stupidity of leaving him to his own devices.
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Re: The Walking Dead

Postby iMURDAu » Mon Mar 30, 2015 4:03 pm

Carol is now my favorite TV character on an existing show. She's Paulie from Goodfellas through and through. Telling Rick how he's going to handle the line of questioning and her confrontation with abuser guy (I don't remember his name, not like it matters) along with her public friendly grandma-ish persona. I can't wait to see what she does next.

I didn't post it here but I told my wife I expected the show to tease Daryl's death and that we might see a major cast member die. Neither happened, oops spoiler?, but she thought Glenn was a goner when he got swarmed by biters. I was all "that's not how Glenn is supposed to die".
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Re: The Walking Dead

Postby Masonator » Mon Mar 30, 2015 6:22 pm

If Carol is Paulie from Goodfellas, Rick is basically Tommy, since he's so ready to go in guns blazing that he'll create about four problems for every one that he solves. I expect Rick and Carol to clash a lot more next season, considering she's playing chess while he's playing checkers.

As for Glenn almost dying this episode:

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What bullshit! How does he escape his situation, swarmed by three zombies, on the ground, using both hands to defend himself against one, with a bullet in his shoulder, and the other guy (whose name I'm too lazy to look up) standing right by and actively trying to kill Glenn? He survived through the magic of editing. I kind of want to see Negan's batting practice on Glenn rather than killing off Glenn before Negan's arrival, but that scene was just poorly executed.
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Re: The Walking Dead

Postby blehblah » Thu Apr 02, 2015 6:49 pm

I'm not sure if I can really enjoy The Walking Dead until they sort-out the cross-over with Breaking Bad.

Merle's meth? Blue.

Walter White's meth? Blue.

Right, so, Merle bought a bag o' meth from someone, and that meth was produced by Walter White. Meanwhile, zombie apocalypse.

Jesse Pinkman drives away, after having had a bad week, or whatever. Where is he going? We don't know. What will he find? Zombies.

Pinkman drives, and drives, stops for gas at a now-abandoned station, fills-up, continues driving, and driving, and driving. He's a bit stressed, on account of his less-than-optimal week, punctuated by mass killings, and so-on. He's in a bit of a fog. Eventually, he arrives in a place where he doesn't know where he is.

The first thing Pinkman sees are zombies. Would he see them as zombies? No, of course not. The PSA stuff about meth makes it quite clear - do meth, even once, and you become a zombie!

Pinkman, in no mood to deal with meth-head zombies, yells, "Back-off, bitches!" as he encounters his first bunch of zombies. Close-by, Rick has just filled-up his tank, while slowly (every so slowly, with much introspection - slow introspection, while growing a beard, and... ugggghhhh).

Pinkman is travelling from the middle of nowhere to a more populated place, while Rick is moving out of a populated place (and then going back, and back again, and... well... where do we go with this... oh, yes, FARM!).

Anyhow, it starts to dawn on Pinkman that the zombies aren't the usual meth-heads of PSA fame. A la "Shaun of the Dead", he suddenly realizes, "The script says it's time to do something irrational". Meanwhile, Rick and Shane are reading a similar, but different, script, with Carl, though Shane's script is a few pages shorter.

The hook - is Walter dead? Where all those people he killed infected? Hmm... middle of nowhere, so maybe not. The infection hasn't reached that part of nowhere, yet (ba-ba-ba-daaaahhh <--- by way of music).

Right. Fast-forward through Farm, Prison, Lorie, Guvnerd, zombies, Train Yards level from several video games, cannibalism, farming, prisoning, love gained, love lost, Luna Lovegood-ish singing some songs to fill air-time, writers spit-balling how this could last another ten, twenty, maybe two, seasons... I mean, eventually, you'll run-out of dead people, it's Georgia, not fucking India, and why has not one person figured "A boat, a motherfucking boat"?).

At some point, Pinkman, who has been making his way in the zombie world because he's a survivor, encounters the Walking Dead characters.

Saul is dead, just FYI. Absolutely, completely, dead and consumed. His clients ate him. There's a "Pound of flesh" joke in there, but I won't commit to it, because it would be wrong. However, that's probably the series finale of Better Call Saul, just FYI. It's all coming together.

Yet another side-note, do zombies poop? If they eat, they must poop, and if they poop, they must also pee. Seeing as how there are herds of them roaming about, it shouldn't be difficult to get a handle on where they've been and where they are going. Eh, another tangent.

Pinkman hooks-up with Rick and the gang. Obviously, Rick wins the beard stand-off against Pinkman, after much introspection and such (on Rick's part, Pinkman yells, "Bitches!", and is outwardly conflicted, versus Rick's inward conflicts). Carl likes Pinkman, because he says, "Bitch!" often, and has a cavalier attitude toward zombies, "I knew meth-heads before they were zombies, Carl, now they act the same, but I make fuck-all money from them. Say, is your dad a cop, or something, and would you like some meth?"

I forgot to mention that the whole time this is taking-place, Daryl is squinting. He squints, progressively harder, until he reaches Gilbert Gottfried levels of squinting, but with a crossbow. His squinting is so hard that he could stand upon the surface of the sun during a partial eclipse, and tell you how it went. Eskimos in July will look at the snow, look at the twenty-four hour sun, look at Daryl, and declare, "That's some serious squint he has going".

Okay, side story aside, from the other side-story, with the other story, because apparently there is a story, about zombies and meth.

Uhm, right... so, the dead people are dead, and Carl isn't, while Shane and Lorie are. Who else? [Sound of erasers at the end of pencils being drummed on blank pages].

"There's a comic?"

What is your name?

"New writer, uhm, I'm a new..."

This "comic" idea, you do know this is not a comedy, Mr. New Writer Comic Idea, HAR!

"But, it's, like, it's right here... and, I mean, it's based on this, so, we..."

How long would it take to eat you, I wonder.

"That's not, what are you, exactly?"

By now, you should have watched the PSA.

"Look, okay, fine, forget the thing about Breaking Bad, it was just an idea to riff on..."

We don't, how did you put it, "riff", here.

"Yeah, okay, I get that, but the goal was to widen, somehow, where we could go with...|"

Do you know what nemesis means?
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Re: The Walking Dead

Postby Tuli » Thu Apr 02, 2015 9:08 pm

So I just watched the last three episodes of this season and... I don't know if the show is getting dumber or I am getting smarter, but I find myself rolling my eyes more and more. The whole Glenn vs curly-haired douchebag confrontation and Glenn's miraculous escape, the priest leaving the gate open, then midday turning into midnight instantly (!)... Bleh. But then there's good moments like the whole Carol thing. I wish they could keep it up more consistently.
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Re: The Walking Dead

Postby Andropov4 » Thu Apr 02, 2015 9:15 pm

Tuli wrote:I wish they could keep it up more consistently.


Hey, erectile dysfunction is a real problem. Imagine how hard it must be to get Viagra in the zombie apocalypse.
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Re: The Walking Dead

Postby CarrieVS » Thu Apr 02, 2015 10:00 pm

No, no, Andro, Zombie Apocalypse or not, the reason you get Viagra is if it isn't hard.
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Re: The Walking Dead

Postby blehblah » Fri Apr 03, 2015 2:15 am

Andropov4 wrote:
Tuli wrote:I wish they could keep it up more consistently.


Hey, erectile dysfunction is a real problem. Imagine how hard it must be to get Viagra in the zombie apocalypse.


That's what I'm walking talking about.

How do the mechanics work? I mean, if someone is made a zombie after munching lots of the blue pills, would that person remain turgid forever?

Walking Dead - With A Point.

"In a world where the dead are not as dead as they seem, at least the dead men. They are the ones who knock, like over and over, with their dicks, in-case the point was lost, and zombie penises, to hammer it home, ya know, because dead turgid penis's, just, ya-know... coooooocks".
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Re: The Walking Dead

Postby Andropov4 » Fri Apr 03, 2015 5:04 am

CarrieVS wrote:No, no, Andro, Zombie Apocalypse or not, the reason you get Viagra is if it isn't hard.


So what you're saying is I should stop taking these? *pops a few little blue pills*
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Re: The Walking Dead

Postby LaoWai » Fri Apr 03, 2015 8:59 am

Tuli wrote:So I just watched the last three episodes of this season and... I don't know if the show is getting dumber or I am getting smarter, but I find myself rolling my eyes more and more. The whole Glenn vs curly-haired douchebag confrontation and Glenn's miraculous escape, the priest leaving the gate open, then midday turning into midnight instantly (!)... Bleh. But then there's good moments like the whole Carol thing. I wish they could keep it up more consistently.

For me the sudden midday to midnight shift was among the second most annoying editing choice. The most annoying was Morgan's deus ex machina appearance to save Daryl and Aaron (could have done a thirty second shot to establish Morgan was either trailing them or scouting out the trucks earlier). Glenn's Houdini-act was third most annoying, especially since showing how he got away could have emphasized that he's "supposed" to be alive and the douchebag isn't. As it was, it just seemed like fake suspense.

Gabriel and the gate didn't bother me so much. People let the dude go outside and walk around alone with no gun, ask the obviously useless guy to close the gate, then after Rick's big reveal, Deanna sends the guy back to the gate. (Um, cow's already left the barn there, leader.) It does drive home that these new folks don't really get it and are only alive through luck. There'd be less ham-handed ways to do it, sure, but the writers sort of painted themselves into a corner by making it too clear that the Alexandria folks are too clueless to understand the import of a less grievous screw-up.

Carol and Eugene are really saving the show for me right now, though. Everyone else just seems frozen in their development, or annoyingly angsty and weepy (looking at you Sasha).
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